Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration] - Page 40

Damaso · #**781** 09.02.2014, 19:23

Very good points!

	Quote:	Diego Knyte
	Surprised this was passed. Kind of ignored it because my wife and I thought for sure it wouldn't. Funny story...On Friday my Wife was on a train and sat next to a Swiss guy. He struck up conversation and this proposal topic came up, in perfect Swiss-German with Graubünden dialect. He asked her how she was voting (his tone was pro initiative). To his surprise she said she can't vote. "But you are Swiss" he said. "No" she said. Born here 40 years ago to non-Swiss (German and Netherlander parents). She was raised here for 18 years, just like a Swiss, but was not Swiss. She said who she works for (a non- Swiss company) and her job was created for HER and her alone when we moved here. She took no job away from any Swiss, but pays into Swiss taxes. She asked him if she should be lumped into this Foreigner pool too. He went silent. But now that it passed, we have some concerns... Should foreigners here be worried about being kicked out of Switzerland over this renegotiation of the EU's bilateral agreement? If you are already here are you safe or should you be worried when it's time to renew your Visa (B in our case)? Are all foreigners lumped into the same pool as their definition of "foreigners?" In other words, does this include Asylum seekers or people born here to non-Swiss parents? If they did have to start kicking people out, many jobs would be affected. Just at my shop, all my direct coworkers are auslanders. At least 1/2 of the total employees at my shop are. Just wondering, thanks.

t3m · #**782** 09.02.2014, 19:23

	Quote:	Wollishofener
	nice. if the new laws can be implemented without the EU objecting it will be excellent

Which new laws?

Wollishofener · #**783** 09.02.2014, 19:24

	Quote:	Damaso
	And what happens if Germany or France starts putting quotas on the number of Swiss living there? http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics...l?cid=35214184 "More than 700,000 Swiss citizens live outside the country's borders, making up about ten per cent of the total population. Most expats reside in neighbouring European countries."

Sure, if the EU does cancel any of the Bilaterals it will be bad for the many CH expacts, but those EU chaps know that it will be equally disastrous for their expats in CH. I very simply hope, and i hope that I do not hope in vain, that common sense will prevail

jacek · #**784** 09.02.2014, 19:25

I wonder how it would feel if EU proposed initiative introducing visitors permits for all the residents in Switzerland. That's a scary thought. Goodbye holiday makers

EAB · #**785** 09.02.2014, 19:26

	Quote:	Diego Knyte
	Surprised this was passed. Kind of ignored it because my wife and I thought for sure it wouldn't. Funny story...On Friday my Wife was on a train and sat next to a Swiss guy. He struck up conversation and this proposal topic came up, in perfect Swiss-German with Graubünden dialect. He asked her how she was voting (his tone was pro initiative). To his surprise she said she can't vote. "But you are Swiss" he said. "No" she said. Born here 40 years ago to non-Swiss (German and Netherlander parents). She was raised here for 18 years, just like a Swiss, but was not Swiss. She said who she works for (a non- Swiss company) and her job was created for HER and her alone when we moved here. She took no job away from any Swiss, but pays into Swiss taxes. She asked him if she should be lumped into this Foreigner pool too. He went silent. But now that it passed, we have some concerns... Should foreigners here be worried about being kicked out of Switzerland over this renegotiation of the EU's bilateral agreement? If you are already here are you safe or should you be worried when it's time to renew your Visa (B in our case)? Are all foreigners lumped into the same pool as their definition of "foreigners?" In other words, does this include Asylum seekers or people born here to non-Swiss parents? If they did have to start kicking people out, many jobs would be affected. Just at my shop, all my direct coworkers are auslanders. At least 1/2 of the total employees at my shop are. Just wondering, thanks.

Good points - though I don't think your wife has much to fear about if, as you say, "her job was created for HER and her alone". Sounds to me like you have nothing to worry about in regard to this initiative.

dawiz · #**786** 09.02.2014, 19:29

	Quote:	jacek
	I wonder how it would feel if EU proposed initiative introducing visitors permits for all the residents in Switzerland. That's a scary thought. Goodbye holiday makers

I don't think it's on the EU's interest to cut the number of tourists in Greece in half :-)

Damaso · #**787** 09.02.2014, 19:30

I also hope common sense prevails but I don't agree that it will hurt those here the same way it would hurt the Swiss abroad.

I think there will be lots of high level meetings over the coming year!

	Quote:	Wollishofener
	Sure, if the EU does cancel any of the Bilaterals it will be bad for the many CH expacts, but those EU chaps know that it will be equally disastrous for their expats in CH. I very simply hope, and i hope that I do not hope in vain, that common sense will prevail

Wollishofener · #**788** 09.02.2014, 19:30

	Quote:	Aubrey
	A fair comment. CH also does have infrastructural problems as has already been discussed elsewhere on this thread. In my humble opinion the way to address the above would have been to talk with the EU and / or have gotten them so see your point of view vis-a-vis "bending the rules" a wee bit. Direct confrontation is rarely, it at all, productive.

Well, could not agree more. But the electorate decided differently. Clearly not least as a result of the comments of that dumme blöde Kuh of EU commissioner. I accept to be voted out in CH, but to be practically voted out by a blödi EU Dreck-Chuä is clearly unacceptable

Aubrey · #**789** 09.02.2014, 19:32

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	on the contrary. i think now switzerland will get some compromise on and acceptable quota on incoming people.

Perhaps if you were to read my post again?

dawiz · #**790** 09.02.2014, 19:34

	Quote:	Damaso
	I also hope common sense prevails but I don't agree that it will hurt those here the same way it would hurt the Swiss abroad. I think there will be lots of high level meetings over the coming year!

I have the feeling that how much it'll hurt the EU citizens who live in Switzerland is going to stand in direct relation to the EU's reaction. If they choose to isolate Switzerland, the Swiss economy will start hurting and the Swiss aren't going to be the first to get fired, that's pretty clear.

Aubrey · #**791** 09.02.2014, 19:36

	Quote:	dawiz
	I have the feeling that how much it'll hurt the EU citizens who live in Switzerland is going to stand in direct relation to the EU's reaction. If they choose to isolate Switzerland, the Swiss economy will start hurting and the Swiss aren't going to be the first to get fired, that's pretty clear.

This "discussion" becomes more infantile by the minute.

MrVertigo · #**792** 09.02.2014, 19:38

	Quote:	Aubrey
	This "discussion" becomes more infantile by the minute.

yes...I'm in favour of applying quota rules on EF from now on

OSueco · #**793** 09.02.2014, 19:38

	Quote:	st2lemans
	They already pay above the proposed minimum! Tom

so let me get this right, the proposed minimum is in the range of the wages that cross boarders gets? So maybe you can raise it something more in a realistic range…no?

Wollishofener · #**794** 09.02.2014, 19:39

	Quote:	t3m
	Which new laws?

The laws resulting. For details ask Tony Brunner who said that he will insist un a full implementation of the law and regulations. May I remind you of the fact that Tony Brunner is the president of the SVP and now on the winner-side

Whether it is laws or regulations is not my matter but one of Mr Brunner

Texaner · #**795** 09.02.2014, 19:40

	Quote:	Wollishofener
	Well, could not agree more. But the electorate decided differently. Clearly not least as a result of the comments of that *dumme blöde Kuh* of EU commissioner. I accept to be voted out in CH, but to be practically voted out by a blödi EU Dreck-Chuä is clearly unacceptable

Come on, Wolly, go ahead and say it like you wötsch say it!

Phil_MCR · #**796** 09.02.2014, 19:41

	Quote:	st2lemans
	What's good for Basel has nothing to do with what is good for Ticino. Tom

which is why i think the immigration should be controlled at the gemeinde level. let basel-stadt have immigrants if it wants them and let the whole of ticino reject all immigrants if that is what they want.

Jasper · #**797** 09.02.2014, 19:42

As Slaphead said, the cap is probably a sieve: those who can satisfy CH national interests will not be affected at all.
Turbid water will be cleared up.

dawiz · #**798** 09.02.2014, 19:42

	Quote:	Aubrey
	This "discussion" becomes more infantile by the minute.

What's infantile about saying that isolation will hurt the Swiss economy and that in turn will lead to people getting fired that don't have permanent resident status? Please explain. Unfortunately, it's not the first time this has happened - just Google for Italians in Switzerland in the late 60s.

t3m · #**799** 09.02.2014, 19:43

	Quote:	Wollishofener
	The laws resulting. For details ask Tony Brunner who said that he will insist un a full implementation of the law and regulations. May I remind you of the fact that Tony Brunner is the president of the SVP and now on the winner-side Whether it is laws or regulations is not my matter but one of Mr Brunner

AFAIK and what I read from the SVP self, there're no modification of the constitution until the PFZ-renegotiation with the EU takes place and yields a positive outcome.

fabiuccio · #**800** 09.02.2014, 19:44

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	which is why i think the immigration should be controlled at the gemeinde level. let basel-stadt have immigrants if it wants them and let the whole of ticino close reject all immigrants if that is what they want.

Makes a lot of sense.