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Old 09.02.2014, 20:07
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Old 09.02.2014, 20:18
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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And nearly 2/3 of the cantons.

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Most of those 2/3 want to profit from a "Finanz-Ausgleich" with Zürich .... who want to have the Gipfel and's Weggli and want to sell the Marroni in Zürich --- everything at the same time
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Old 09.02.2014, 20:23
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Mod hat on.

I haven't yet seen much to indicate that this thread is getting out of hand, but given the importance of such a vote that has the ability to affect us all I'm prepared to accept a certain amount of to and fro. This is a contentious subject after all.

However, I will delete posts that are insulting and demeaning to persons of differing viewpoints, regardless of viewpoint.

I, and I'm sure the other mods, really want this thread to remain open due to the fact that it affects pretty much everybody on this forum, but in the event of absolute carnage it will be closed.




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Re: results on 9 Feb 14

Is that mean the swiss will need visa to go to the rest of europe ? As well any non Eu ?
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

My first statement here in this thread. I'm Swiss, my wife is from an EU-country. I'm not really happy with the outcome of the voting.

But I want to add a german saying: Nothing is eaten as hot as it's cooked.

As soon as the broiled tempers are cooling down again, things will look quite different. Such initatives don't tend to turn everything upside down. This is not the end of the world as we know it - and especially not of Switzerland and the EU.

btw: My wife came to Switzerland before the Personenfreizügigkeit and it wasn't that big of a deal to get the residence permit.
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Coincidentally (oder zufallig...) I have had several emails from Swiss people in the EU who are asking their friends if they should now apply for EU citizenship? In these times when multiple citizenships is OK I would always say yes; keep all the doors open.
I remember the pre bilateral days- when to go and work in UK I had to have a work permit, proving that I was 'essential' for the UK business that could not get a Brit to do the job (translating/PA)- without the right contacts, NOT A CHANCE. Is that what the Swiss want to go back to- being shut out of Europe? And exports, already limited due to high CHF- further limited due to full or partial boycott, official or otherwise???
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Old 09.02.2014, 20:34
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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I remember the pre bilateral days- when to go and work in UK I had to have a work permit, proving that I was 'essential' for the UK business that could not get a Brit to do the job (translating/PA)- without the right contacts, NOT A CHANCE. Is that what the Swiss want to go back to- being shut out of Europe? And exports, already limited due to high CHF- further limited due to full or partial boycott, official or otherwise???
That's the same concern I have. With EUR/CHF at 1,2, should the EU reapply some limitation on free commerce it would be a complete disaster for Swiss company that base their income on EU export.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Which is why intelligent Cantons- despite seriously feeling the pinch due to frontaliers salary dumping (and truly, it is no good trying to deny that salary dumping is not a reality) but with an economy based on luxury watches and precision engineering with large % of exports to Europe, voted with a decisive NO.
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Old 09.02.2014, 20:41
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Given fact that the voting results showed a smashing difference between two opposing groups, he he. How many percentiles again? Therefore one can expect massive drop in property prices, non-crowded motorways, nearly empty ski slopes and generally diminishing over crowdedness in CH, frontaliers won't drive the prices up. It will positively affect all of us very quickly (I don't think so). I reckon it will take ages to implement those policies never mind further negotiations with EU, so average John von Dorp won't even feel it. Can I chill out now in a shadow of empty streets

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Old 09.02.2014, 20:44
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Perhaps we are more in touch with our friends, co-workers, and neighbors (i.e., more integrated)?

Clearly, we voted with the vast majority of such, 68+%.

Of course, my wife isn't a real Ticinese, her father was Swiss German and was born and spent the first eight years of his life in Zug (long before the expat explosion).

And, while she personally knew Nano Bignasca, and despised him on a personal level, she agrees that he had a point.

Lastly, I know relatives of my wife who for 40 years have been frontaliers, and complain about the same issues as I do (i.e. the absurd increase in traffic in the past 10 years or so).

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Old 09.02.2014, 20:52
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Is that mean the swiss will need visa to go to the rest of europe ? As well any non Eu ?
No, visas wont be needed for tourist or business travel since Schengen very much remains in place for now.

I guess for a lot of people who voted yes to this initiative, it meant "taking back control of the Swiss borders".
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Is that mean the swiss will need visa to go to the rest of europe ? As well any non Eu ?
That's correct. And you'll have to strip naked with "I'm a Swiss sinner" tattooed across your butt in order to comply.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

As seen on the abortion thread.

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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

i just received a text from my swiss boyfriend's swiss mum telling me that she is ashamed of today's results. i found it sweet
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Old 09.02.2014, 20:56
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

i.e. you still hold on to that 50% of the Swiss has no common sense...:roll eyes: can't get out of this one

I can't even vote so I am not even included in the minority
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Re: results on 9 Feb 14

Shortsighted view. EU will tear up treaties. This whole vote has been again treated as a race issue (simiar to the minerets).

It's a global economy, protectionism will not work.
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i just received a text from my swiss boyfriend's swiss mum telling me that she is ashamed of today's results. i found it sweet
Monday could be slightly ackward in many an office.
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1980: 6.31 millions
1990: 6.71 millions
2000: 7.18 millions
2010: 7.82 millions
2013: 8 millions
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Why?

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