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Jaro 05.09.2011 13:10

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Originally Posted by Assassin (Post 1327351)
Almost, but not quite. Make that hire by the hour. The influx of prostitutes from the Baltic States working in Switzerland has greatly increased according to a colleague of mine with the ZH police.

but that's a good thing...drives the prices of services down...kind of like Aldi and Lidl and Coop and Migros..:msnnerd:

yjt 05.09.2011 13:16

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Originally Posted by Karl (Post 1327342)
We already have several recently hired where I work.

Honest question: Why do you feel that they have been hired? Because they were so much cheaper or because they couldn't find anyone locally?

Karl 05.09.2011 13:17

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Originally Posted by yjt (Post 1327374)
Honest question: Why do you feel that they have been hired? Because they were so much cheaper or because they couldn't find anyone locally?

They had personal connections (friends of wife of senior manager)

tom tulpe 05.09.2011 13:19

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Originally Posted by Karl (Post 1327375)
They had personal connections (friends of wife of senior manager)

So nothing to do with them being EU-8 then?

05.09.2011 13:29

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Originally Posted by Jaro (Post 1327361)
but that's a good thing...drives the prices of services down...kind of like Aldi and Lidl and Coop and Migros..:msnnerd:

You must buy some funny things at your local supermarket...

Jaro 05.09.2011 13:33

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Originally Posted by ARandomUsername (Post 1327388)
You must buy some funny things at your local supermarket...

yeah yeah funny ha ha...not need to get funny on the technicalities now Random...;)

Karl 05.09.2011 13:55

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Originally Posted by tom tulpe (Post 1327378)
So nothing to do with them being EU-8 then?

Without the lifting of restrictions for EU-8 citizens, personal connections would not have helped them get jobs here.

PaddyG 05.09.2011 13:55

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Originally Posted by Jaro (Post 1327353)
been to UK more than I care to be. So you attribute the current economic slowdown/crisis to all the Poles that have taken over? It wouldn't be the bank run government? Bad policies? etc?

You seem to have missed my point. You stated that the UK and IE economies had benefitted due to EU immigration, whereas I pointed out that those economies are still in do-do despite the 20% rise in immigration last year.
Unfortunately, due to 15 or so years of Labour mismanagement and more-or-less unrestricted immigration, the indiginous UK workforce has become feckless and benefit-dependant.

Jaro 05.09.2011 13:58

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Originally Posted by PaddyG (Post 1327420)
You seem to have missed my point. You stated that the UK and IE economies had benefitted due to EU immigration, whereas I pointed out that those economies are still in do-do despite the 20% rise in immigration last year.
Unfortunately, due to 15 or so years of Labour mismanagement and more-or-less unrestricted immigration, the indiginous UK workforce has become feckless and benefit-dependant.

OK...sorry for missing your point...will blame it on today being a Monday ;)

PaddyG 05.09.2011 14:01

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Originally Posted by Jaro (Post 1327424)
OK...sorry for missing your point...will blame it on today being a Monday ;)

No worries. Mondays really are a bitch :msnmad:.

Guest 05.09.2011 14:14

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Originally Posted by PaddyG (Post 1327420)
You seem to have missed my point. You stated that the UK and IE economies had benefitted due to EU immigration, whereas I pointed out that those economies are still in do-do despite the 20% rise in immigration last year.
Unfortunately, due to 15 or so years of Labour mismanagement and more-or-less unrestricted immigration, the indiginous UK workforce has become feckless and benefit-dependant.

Well I agree with a significant % being 'feckless and benefit' dependant- but I believe this trend started much earlier, with the demise of mining, steel, textile, cars, etc, etc. Was it Labour in charge then?:D

Guest 05.09.2011 14:26

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Was it Labour in charge then?:D
Yes, it was, for much of the time.

Anyway, we're wandering off topic...

st2lemans 05.09.2011 15:27

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Originally Posted by yjt (Post 1327343)
If someone(like me) is planning to leave the country but wishes to still work here or wishes to have no problems coming back, I think it would be careless not to get the Swiss pass before leaving as it looks like it will be increasingly hard to immigrate and work here.

Actually, we have several Swiss employees who prefer to live in Italy and commute!

Me, I prefer to walk to work.

Tom

st2lemans 05.09.2011 15:30

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Originally Posted by Jaro (Post 1327358)
do you feel threatened?

Unless he works as a prostitute, probably not! :p

Tom

Rory 05.09.2011 15:57

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I've seen these signs in Interlaken BE. Asking my Swiss husband he thinks it's for foreigners who come to CH en masse seeking asylum etc. it seems very vague and i feel almost threatened by the posters personally as a foreigner who's been living here since '99.

LordNacho 05.09.2011 18:32

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Originally Posted by Rory (Post 1327602)
I've seen these signs in Interlaken BE. Asking my Swiss husband he thinks it's for foreigners who come to CH en masse seeking asylum etc. it seems very vague and i feel almost threatened by the posters personally as a foreigner who's been living here since '99.

I get the feeling that some foreigners are more welcome than others. Sure, there's some resentment in rich people pushing up house prices, but as in most places where immigration is an issue, the populists are mostly pandering to the less well off, who face stiffer competition for work.

OSueco 05.09.2011 19:08

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Originally Posted by Karl (Post 1327298)
In case no one read the news recently, as of May 1, 2011, citizens of the so-called "EU-8" countries...Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia, now have full rights to move to Switzerland and look for employment.

That's a combined population of over 73 Million people, many of whom are living in economically depressed countries where unemployment is high, taxes are high, and pay is a small fraction of what can be earned in Switzerland for the same job (and would likely be willing to accept lower pay here just to get in).

This all happened in one fell swoop on May 1st of this year.

you got it wrong there, first they have to find a job and then they will be able to move here...

And still the Swiss employers has to offer salaries according to legislation. If it's possible for Swiss legislation to offer lower salaries to foreigners, than it's Swiss themselves who are to blame...very simple...SELBER SCHULD!!!!!

So it's not foreigners abusing Switzerland, it's Switzerland that "abuses" the foreigners...

No Swiss company is FORCED to accept foreign labour!

OSueco 05.09.2011 19:11

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Originally Posted by yjt (Post 1325816)
Apparently not. At the start of the year the said they were having a think about launching an initiative which would mean naturalised Swiss would lose the Swiss pass if they mess up within a certain amount of time http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/30302904

So people will instead give away their origin citizenship and voila...:rolleyes:
The level of retardness of SVP ideas knows no limit...

OSueco 05.09.2011 19:16

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Originally Posted by Karl (Post 1327298)
In case no one read the news recently, as of May 1, 2011, citizens of the so-called "EU-8" countries...Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia, now have full rights to move to Switzerland and look for employment.

That's a combined population of over 73 Million people, many of whom are living in economically depressed countries where unemployment is high, taxes are high, and pay is a small fraction of what can be earned in Switzerland for the same job (and would likely be willing to accept lower pay here just to get in).

This all happened in one fell swoop on May 1st of this year.

I remember that right right wings morons cried alot in Sweden when this happened...needless to say, the suspected wave of immigrants never happened...god people are so naive...:rolleyes:

OSueco 05.09.2011 19:19

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Originally Posted by Karl (Post 1327359)
No. I simply stated a fact (again).

...and what a fact it is!!! :rolleyes: INVASION - RUN FROM THE EU-8 PEOPLE!!!!


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