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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

will Unia still press ahead with the 4000 CHF minimum salary initiative?
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The people I feel sorry for are the young Swiss. Their horizons are likely to be limited to their own country in the foreseeable future. It will be tough when you’re surrounded by countries where employers are not just allowed but obliged to discriminate against you.
I don't know of any around here who would consider looking in Italy (or any EU country) for work, it makes no sense.

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I don't know of any around here who would consider looking in Italy (or any EU country) for work, it makes no sense.

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Same, all the Suisse youth I know, including nephews/nieces, no one talks about going abroad for work...Going abroad is usually about vacation
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Old 10.02.2014, 12:20
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If every EU country country could limit immigration and retain everything else don't you think they'd be all over doing the same as CH in a New York minute? Don't be so naive.
It was passed by a very narrow margin in Switzerland - I am not so sure it would pass in every EU country.

Surprisingly perhaps all the research shows that having high numbers of immigrants is good for the economy and provides more jobs for the locals than if there were less immigrants. see link
http://www.iza.org/conference_files/...aler_m8734.pdf

Of course people vote on perception, not reality.
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I don't know of any around here who would consider looking in Italy (or any EU country) for work, it makes no sense.

Tom
It's not all about money in life, especially if your parents are well off and you expect to inherit some decent property one day.
Many young Swiss prefer living in London, Paris, Berlin, Barcelona, although it means they have to accept a much lower salary and risk being fired more easily.
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Old 10.02.2014, 12:28
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I would love to have a definitive answer on this point.
Again: This law was created to reduce the number of new immigration to Switzerland.

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Thinking about it, there's nothing to say that a future vote wouldn't restrict the rights of C permit holders anyway.
A future vote could also make flagellation compulsory for all C permit holders, or forbid them to wear red shoes. That's direct democracy for you. As it has not happened in the last 120 years of direct democracy, why should it now?

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executive bonuses, 1:12, anti-immigration

the trend in initiatives that are anti-business has been going for a while and i expect most businesses have a back-up plan in place.
The Minder-initiative strengthened the shareholders (owners) in business to a level where it already is in other countries, I completely fail to see how this is anti-business. The 1:12 initiative was turned down by a big margin. The anti-immigration is not really anti-immigration, but reduced-immigration, despite the name.

Businesses should always consider all opportunities/possibilities and options and they usually do (call it back-up plan if you want).

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switzerland may be a good country to avoid taxes and hide black money, but as a place to do business, it is falling down the ranks.
People who have a saying in companies usually don't act like a bunch of scared children when making business decisions. If it was more profitable to be located in Switzerland yesterday, it is still more profitable today. Until anything concrete comes out of this or it is at least clear in which direction this is going, nothing will happen simply because of this vote.

BTW: I think your portrayal of the Swiss economy is a caricature at best, I would read up on that if I was you.

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If you cant read the german then look at the pictures

http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/...d_1067059.html
This takes the cake.

I love it how a German newspaper is coming up with this now. The country where the national-socialist underground was murdering foreigners for a decade without anybody noticing. The police was thinking the Turkish and Greek victims were somehow affiliated with the crime scene and were only investigating in this direction, indirectly declaring the victims to criminals. The press called it the "Döner-Killings". It looks as if the Verfassungsschutz was involved, but unfortunately they are "accidentally" destroying the documents now [German]. This is the country where a 13 year old boy was last week lighting up yet another asylum centre.

They should once have a look at the section "from 1999 onwards" in this list [German]. But Switzerland limiting the number of new immigrants? Yeah, that's pure evil. It might be completely stupid, but at least we kill nobody in the process.
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Old 10.02.2014, 12:29
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I think the right answer is no, because if my worst fears are realised this will spell the end of the Swiss economic miracle. What forward thinking CEO in a specialist tech, Pharma, financial services etc.. Company would now choose Switzerland to establish an entity. And for companies like Roche, Novartis this already vindicates their decision to start outsourcing to India.. Plentiful talent on tap, with no restrictions.

As for foreigners already here, well we have 3 years to start thinking about leaving before being pushed. Suddenly job offers in Frankfurt, Brussels, UK, USA don't look so unappealing. Even if my C permit does end up being worth more than the paper it's printed on and I'm not unceremoniously kicked out, do I really want to live in a country where job prospects could be so bleak.

I don't believe much of this was on the minds of those who gleefully voted on what they thought was a pure immigration issue. If looking for a modern day fable on killing a goose that lays golden eggs.. This could be it.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

I'd also add a couple of things...I recall moving here from the US a few years back and noticing the changes that were already taking place from when I first started visiting...I had a conversation with my father in law about the potential of rising housing costs, traffic etc. as well as immigrant backlash...He scoffed a bit at it at the time and said that this is how Switzerland has been and that it could handle it...Interesting that it's come to this

My only trepidation now would be the inevitable frenzy that can sometimes accompany immigration policy changes...like racism or friction between immigrants & the Suisse, from either side...Sometimes you get whipped up in a debate and it can turn ugly & personal...I hope cooler heads prevail because I think, in general, most Suisse I know value & understand the utlity/place of immigrants in the country - both in terms of the workforce and makeup of the country

I just think, if nothing else, it's important to protect what makes Suisse, Suisse
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Old 10.02.2014, 12:35
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Over the last week I have seen so many references to racism, fascism, Nazism etc in relation to the initiative. I have seen it in the EU news and in the UK news. I saw it in Facebook comments and in threads (such as this one). I even saw it in the form of vandalism of pro-initiative posters (Swastikas drawn all over the posters).

So if this initiative is racist, fascist and Nazi ... I would have to conclude that every other nation on Earth which has independent immigration policies are also the same. I would also have to conclude that the EU itself is also racist, fascist and Nazi towards all those nations which it does not dissolve it's borders towards.

OR ... I can conclude that it is out of ignorance, intolerance and desperation that people are stooping to such referential lows towards the initiative for Switzerland to regain it's sovereign right to dictate it's own, independent, immigration policy.

A Swiss person wrote me earlier today: (I have corrected some spelling)

"what I am getting here is, that now since the vote came out positive for restricting immigration,all of a sudden quite a bit of people are getting the confidence to speak up boldly, cause they are not afraid to get singled out. I am surprised at the healthy backbone some people show. It seems like this positive outcome gives some people belief back in their country, that it is possible indeed to keep it. It shows how many people would want that. it's a real breath of fresh air to hear them. you find 1 person saying, better to be poorer then foreigners tell us how to run things here. This richness we don't need, it's destroying us anyway. I think most Swiss people are very thrifty and should Switzerland get more poor, good I see whole heartedly, cause then most of the Leaches will go. Better though it'll stay medium rich and they make proper restrictions and keep their sovereignty."

Another Swiss/German person wrote me:

"And as the Federal Councillor, Simonetta Sommaruga, said in her address to the Swiss people that through all her many journeys in Switzerland she saw that even the people that voted no are concerned about the negative influences and results that immigration is bringing to Switzerland"

It is also important, I think, to note that monetary wealth is not the only way that we Swiss measure strength of our nation. We see great importance in our culture, heritage and custom - all of which should be the make-up of Swiss society. So while some cry because Switzerland may experience a financial hiccup while they readjust, others see this as necessary to protect what will in the long run ensure that Switzerland remain a Swiss nation!

And for those foreigners who call "shame" to the Swiss for having voted as a democratic nation does, I say to you - the borders are always open for you to leave!
And for those who are Swiss who say they are "embarrassed" to call themselves Swiss after the nation voted as a democratic nation does, I say to you - Shame on you for being embarrassed to call yourselves Swiss! (The borders are also open for you to leave and emigrate to some place you don't feel so embarrassed about! - But I would rather you remained and take this one on the chin.)

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Old 10.02.2014, 12:37
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This thread appears to be filled with FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt for those unfamiliar with the acronym), and I admit we're left with an amount of uncertainty and doubt regarding this vote. However, there are those of us who are basically instilling the fear part through constantly painting the situation as a worse than worst case scenario. It's as if some of you would have us believe that we're all going to be arrested in dawn raids and dispatched to our countries of origin in the back military cargo planes under armed guard.

The truth of the matter here is that the Bundesrat are going to tread very carefully with this, and the eventual implementation is likely going to be considerably watered down. I say eventually as I can see this one being dragged out for a while before it finally comes into force.

Quite frankly there's way too much at stake for this to be implemented in the draconian style that some of you have implied. Due to the need for switzerland to maintain relations with the EU by the time this comes to pass it'll probably be a mere toothless formality with regards to EU citizens.

By the way the GF parents said they would vote yes, and I always thought they liked me.
Completely agree but the risk is that businesses will make decisions based on perception, not reality.
If big businesses export jobs from Switzerland then it will be hard to get them back
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Indeed. Vaud, Neuchatel and Jura all 'suffer' from salary dumping and large numbers of frontaliers. And yet Vaud turned out to be the champion of the NO vote and the others not so far behind. Because 50%+ of their economy is based on exports to Europe. Most agree that salary conventions for qualified workers have to be tightened up (watch-making and precision engineering) and more unemployed people and youngsters trained properly for the jobs available- but losing a % of exports to Europe is just plain stupid and damaging (as exports to China fall sharply).
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Another Swiss/German person wrote me:

"And as the Federal Councillor, Simonetta Sommaruga, said in her address to the Swiss people that through all her many journeys in Switzerland she saw that even the people that voted no are concerned about the negative influences and results that immigration is bringing to Switzerland"

It is also important, I think, to note that monetary wealth is not the only way that we Swiss measure strength of our nation. We see great importance in our culture, heritage and custom - all of which should be the make-up of Swiss society. So while some cry because Switzerland may experience a financial hiccup while they readjust, others see this as necessary to protect what will in the long run ensure that Switzerland remain a Swiss nation!

And for those foreigners who call "shame" to the Swiss for having voted as a democratic nation does, I say to you - the borders are always open for you to leave!
And for those who are Swiss who say they are "embarrassed" to call themselves Swiss after the nation voted as a democratic nation does, I say to you - Shame on you for being embarrassed to call yourselves Swiss! (The borders are also open for you to leave and emigrate to some place you don't feel so embarrassed about! - But I would rather you remained and take this one on the chin.)
I love this!

Coming from a small nation suffering from similar problems like serious overcrowding but with no way to express discontent, I was in admiration to see true democracy at work. Some have criticised it as short-sighted, protectionism, blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda - but not everything is about money or GDP growth.

This democracy malarkey...dangerous stuff. We mustn't let it fall into the hands of the people!

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... can you however understand the frustration of the Romands- who voted democratically against- but see their vote lost to 'democracy' (and yes- I know, this is how democracy works... but it is hugely frustrating and painful)
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But then they voted for the train fund crap, and it passed, leaving the non-romands having to deal with huge frustration and pain...

Seems that everybody loses, depending on how you look at it.
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not the first time this has happened, is it?
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Where are you getting this from? You are presenting these as some facts/highly probable outcomes whereas in reality nobody has any clue as to what the rules will look like.

When it comes down to negotiating with the EU, Switzerland is not the one in the position of power. A very large portion of the Swiss import and export goes to the EU. It is completely out of the question that Switzerland could lose access to the EU markets and both the Swiss leadership and EU are painfully aware of this. I believe that the most probable outcome is indeed some watered down law that puts some cap on the newly issued B permits and/or removes social security for newcomers who haven't contributed yet.
I am getting this from from my personal experience of having lived on a work permit in several countries (including Switzerland).
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I don't know of any around here who would consider looking in Italy (or any EU country) for work, it makes no sense.

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Still, 400,000 Swiss citizens currently prefer to live in EU:

http://www.businessinsider.com/eu-to...t-curbs-2014-2

That's about 5-7% of all Swiss nationals altogether.
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Maybe the solution is the withdrawal of the Francophone bits of Switzerland from the confederation. They could establish a new republic - Bourgogne Est, or something - then apply to join the EU, where they can have subsidies galore and all the economic security afforded by adoption of the Euro.


Meanwhile, after Ticino has been sold to Italy for a nominal sum of 1 centesimo, the rest of the cantons of Switzerland can consolidate, make their own laws without interference from outsiders and go on to become a happy archipelago of Germanic industry and prosperity in a sea of diminishing pensions and youth unemployment.


Now that would be democracy truly in action!
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Still, 400,000 Swiss citizens currently prefer to live in EU:

http://www.businessinsider.com/eu-to...t-curbs-2014-2

That's about 5-7% of all Swiss nationals altogether.
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But then they voted for the train fund crap, and it passed, leaving the non-romands having to deal with huge frustration and pain...

Seems that everybody loses, depending on how you look at it.
About "train fund crap" luckily with an immigration cap it may not be needed
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