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Implications of the referendum up to date are such that no one really knows for sure what's gonna happen next All are just speculations and ifs. That's the main catch of this referendum. I am not even sure that the politicians involved know it themselves how to pull it thru (the whole mess they made) next. Negotiations, talks and proposals will be on the table.
Hi everyone. I just did my best to actually go through the last 65 pages. It wasn't easy. haha.

So obviously we know that there needs to be a sit down with the EU at some point to renegotiate things. Has their been any indication of when that will happen? In the meantime, people are saying things will remain the same for the next few years. Do we actually think that companies will continue hiring EU members without concern between now and the time that the re-negotiations happen?

I am set to arrive in Switzerland with my Swiss boyfriend on May 28th. I have a Portuguese passport. When I arrive at the airport, I will have a one-way ticket. Up until yesterday I figured this would be fine. Now I'm afraid I will be thrown out of the country!

If they let me in... I can't imagine finding work will be very fun.

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When I arrive at the airport, I will have a one-way ticket. Up until yesterday I figured this would be fine. Now I'm afraid I will be thrown out of the country!:
Just tell them you'll leave the country on foot, the border is never far here.
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Old 10.02.2014, 19:34
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I am set to arrive in Switzerland with my Swiss boyfriend on May 28th. I have a Portuguese passport. When I arrive at the airport, I will have a one-way ticket. Up until yesterday I figured this would be fine. Now I'm afraid I will be thrown out of the country!

If they let me in... I can't imagine finding work will be very fun.

IMO, just get on that plane ASAP (only joking)
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.. with the EU at some point to renegotiate things.

If they let me in... I can't imagine finding work will be very fun.


On some things there will be no cosy negotiation.


When was looking for work ever fun?
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Old 10.02.2014, 19:36
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Hi everyone. I just did my best to actually go through the last 65 pages. It wasn't easy. haha.

So obviously we know that there needs to be a sit down with the EU at some point to renegotiate things. Has their been any indication of when that will happen? In the meantime, people are saying things will remain the same for the next few years. Do we actually think that companies will continue hiring EU members without concern between now and the time that the re-negotiations happen?

I am set to arrive in Switzerland with my Swiss boyfriend on May 28th. I have a Portuguese passport. When I arrive at the airport, I will have a one-way ticket. Up until yesterday I figured this would be fine. Now I'm afraid I will be thrown out of the country!

If they let me in... I can't imagine finding work will be very fun.

Let's not forget that we've already got quotas in place until next year - the Ventilklausel has been invoked.
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Old 10.02.2014, 19:38
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I have a Portuguese passport. When I arrive at the airport, I will have a one-way ticket. Up until yesterday I figured this would be fine. Now I'm afraid I will be thrown out of the country!

If they let me in... I can't imagine finding work will be very fun.
I cannot generalise but I noticed that secondos tend to hire people of their parents' nationality. So you might be lucky.
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Guys, without reading 40+ last pages, can somebody please summarize this (or point to summary). Things like effect based on region of origin (previously there were quotas for new EU countries, I thing separate romania+bulgaria, and rest of world).
Also how does this affect holders of permits already issued?
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Nothing is certain but death and taxes.

However, if you do decide to take the time to read the last 40+ pages, you might be able to assess which EF members were... adventurous... enough to vote in favor of an initiative, without being fully aware of the implications of said initiative.
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Old 10.02.2014, 19:41
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Let's not forget that we've already got quotas in place until next year - the Ventilklausel has been invoked.
haha you guys are funny.

I thought the current quotas were set to end at the beginning of June.
When was the "Ventilklausel" invoked?

Do they provide some kind of update on how close they are to reaching these quotas?
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About "The local COOP and Migros have removed barbecue sauce..." - it is Winter?
Well, OK, some of you non-Americans see BBQ sauce as seasonal.... and we Americans do not agree... but it was available, perhaps fewer brands in wintertime, through the last 4 winters I have lived here on the same shelf at the local Coop. But then, I really am ok with people not understanding American food tastes (and it is not all McDonalds and high fat all the time for all of us). I did also mention that the whole shelf of British products my housemate, who is welsh, was sad to see go. Do you only like to eat Heinz beans on toast in the summer? hmmmm?

and...

No one touched the comment about the Black guy getting special handling in Migros, because we all know it is true at times, but we do not like to talk about it in polite company?

Think happy thoughts. I will not break out my tin foil hat in favor of more available BBQ sauce... it is only a short tram ride and a 10 minute walk to get BBQ in Weil Am Rhine. However, lots of comments on this thread showing some discomfort from many of us with families who were invited to Switzerland for work, wondering how this will impact our pensions and our children's schooling, after paying taxes and doing our best to fit in the local schools and such for 5 or more years.

The thread also shows it will play out slowly over the next few years. However, corporations do evaluate risk when considering expansion or contraction in a given region. Nobody likes more red tape, and it has been hard enough to get skills needed for peak demands in the past. One thing that is for certain, it will not become easier to import skills to Switzerland that are not available from the local workforce. This will cause short term problems for corporations, at the very least.
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Old 10.02.2014, 20:00
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haha you guys are funny.

I thought the current quotas were set to end at the beginning of June.
When was the "Ventilklausel" invoked?

Do they provide some kind of update on how close they are to reaching these quotas?
You're right, they quotas are theoretically ending the end of June - let's see if they get extended now or not. Considering the fact that the EU now wants us out of Erasmus, I'm guessing there are no rules anymore
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Old 10.02.2014, 20:07
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I am set to arrive in Switzerland with my Swiss boyfriend on May 28th. I have a Portuguese passport. When I arrive at the airport, I will have a one-way ticket. Up until yesterday I figured this would be fine. Now I'm afraid I will be thrown out of the country!

If they let me in... I can't imagine finding work will be very fun.

So I take it you are entering Switzerland without any employment worked out in Switzerland!? And what were your plans if after 6 months you were not able to find employment!?
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Old 10.02.2014, 20:09
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No one touched the comment about the Black guy getting special handling in Migros, because we all know it is true at times, but we do not like to talk about it in polite company?
I don't see what was wrong with it - so I did not respond to it.
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Old 10.02.2014, 20:15
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I don't see what was wrong with it - so I did not respond to it.
Par for the course.
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So I take it you are entering Switzerland without any employment worked out in Switzerland!? And what were your plans if after 6 months you were not able to find employment!?


Maybe it's her life long dream to become a housewife? Given how late voting rights for women came into effect, I can't imagine the Swiss having a negative attitude towards that?!

Or is this luxury only reserved for the real Swiss women maybe? If this is the case, she can always consider a career as a prostitute of course. As long as she's at least older than 16 that is...
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So I take it you are entering Switzerland without any employment worked out in Switzerland!? And what were your plans if after 6 months you were not able to find employment!?
I didn't know everybody goes there to simply steal jobs from the Swiss people.
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So I take it you are entering Switzerland without any employment worked out in Switzerland!? And what were your plans if after 6 months you were not able to find employment!?
Trying to gain employment in Switzerland from Canada is 99.9% impossible. It will be much easier once I'm there. I have lots of experience and contacts so I'm hoping it will be relatively simple.

If I don't find employment I can easily prove I'm able to afford living there without a job. My boyfriend will be working, he's Swiss. and we're living with Swiss cousins so our rent is next to nothing.

In that case, I will fill my time with trips to the Greek Islands or something. haha
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Old 10.02.2014, 20:24
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Trying to gain employment in Switzerland from Canada is 99.9% impossible. It will be much easier once I'm there. I have lots of experience and contacts so I'm hoping it will be relatively simple.

If I don't find employment I can easily prove I'm able to afford living there without a job. My boyfriend will be working, he's Swiss. and we're living with Swiss cousins so our rent is next to nothing.

In that case, I will fill my time with trips to the Greek Islands or something. haha
How nice for you. hahaha
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Old 10.02.2014, 20:32
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Doomsday speech much!? What is this "long complicated bureaucracy" you speak of!? The initiative just passed yesterday - and nothing has been implemented yet!! - Or did I miss something in the last 45seconds !?....

And what are these "many Swiss" who have "said that they now will probably have to outsource their business to other countries"!?
If you red the initiative that was one of the few thing that clear - quotas will be reinstated and will be controlled by the government…http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eidgenö...#Initiativtext

if I just listened to what various Swiss companies have stated on the Radio and TV, of course we will see….

do you really think there will be no consequences?

It will not be a good signal to actual EU states to continue to give even better conditions to a non-EU state, this could trigger some nasty things within the EU, I believe they rather cancel the bilaterals then risk this...
http://www.blick.ch/news/politik/kei...id2664980.html
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Looks like the Erasmus programme might be the first victim


Reaction from European leaders is swift and of course, very negative.
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Old 10.02.2014, 20:43
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"I am deeply disappointed by the sad outcome of the referendum in Switzerland," said Sweden's EU Minister Birgitta Ohlsson. "Limiting immigration is going to frame the strong Swiss economy is so dependent on the outside world," she said.
Europe needs more freedom of movement to get by us in the global competition,” Ohlsson said.


Why do I get the feeling that the primary reason that the EU governments are upset with Switzerland is because they were making a handsome profit from Switzerland's full endorsement of the FMOP agreement!? So that is what it boils down to for them - and that is the ultimate reason why they are interested in Switzerland - to make a buck from her. It becomes clearer every minute!
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