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Such as?

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I do know of one area that Switzerland benefits from it's association with the EU-research money. The European Research Council and European Molecular Biology Organization pour a good deal more money into Switzerland's research programs than Switzerland pays in. Switzerland is a full EMBO member, and comes up for review every three years. So far, it's been a rubber stamp, but that could change...
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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The largest block was "don't care".

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That is a BIG problem everywhere, not just in CH.
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Old 13.02.2014, 14:00
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Well one bilateral agreement allows Swiss insurance companies to operate in EU countries.

"Swiss insurers employ over 47,000 people in Switzerland and 78,000 abroad (status 2007). Their annual revenue from casualty insurance is around 65 billion francs (2007) of which approximately two thirds are earned abroad. Numerous in- surance companies have set up or acquired branches in the EU. This enables better international positioning by the com- panies concerned."
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

A more in depth analysis IMHO, talking about the suburbian parts of the country where opinion changed about the FMoP, rather than much talked about urban - rural divide.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_ne...l?cid=37944072
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Old 13.02.2014, 14:04
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Typical straw-man argument. There are hardly any pure-blood Swiss and nobody insists (not even Roger Köppel and Christoph Blocher) that this is of any importance and it certainly wasn't a topic in initiative. Where will the line be drawn? Clearly in the mind of hyperventilating expats only when all the Swiss residents are called Heidi, Vreni or Hans-Ueli... or perhaps not.
About "Where will the line be drawn?"
I heard Blocher has German ancestry so clearly any line drawn will not go back so far
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That is a BIG problem everywhere, not just in CH.
No, it's an epiphany. Global economy — nothing stops this train
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Old 13.02.2014, 14:09
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Well one bilateral agreement allows Swiss insurance companies to operate in EU countries.
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I do know of one area that Switzerland benefits from it's association with the EU-research money.
Two things that most people couldn't care less about.

Same with being able to live and work in the EU, most Swiss simple aren't interested and don't see these things as beneficial.

So they voted yes.

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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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A more in depth analysis IMHO, talking about the suburbian parts of the country where opinion changed about the FMoP, rather than much talked about urban - rural divide.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_ne...l?cid=37944072
About "more in depth analysis" ?? two sentences is "more in depth analysis"? Or did I miss something?
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Old 13.02.2014, 14:15
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Two things that most people couldn't care less about.

Same with being able to live and work in the EU, most Swiss simple aren't interested and don't see these things as beneficial.

So they voted yes.

Tom
Plus putting that kind of information in is basing things too much on facts. Which would lead to a No vote winning.....

So you know they're not going to confuse the information they give to people with facts....!!

It appears we'll know something late this year....everything else is supposing and guessing.....

Ah, hang on, there's a knock at the door.......they're taking me awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....!!!!!!!
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

UDC/SVP had no answer to what to do about the electricity reciprocal arrangements being cancelled with France and Germany- from which we import a lot of our energy. Watch out for those prices taking off- hurrah.
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Two things that most people couldn't care less about.

Same with being able to live and work in the EU, most Swiss simple aren't interested and don't see these things as beneficial.

So they voted yes.

Tom

Well it's too bad that they don't care about research. The reason there are so many foreign academics/researchers is because there aren't enough Swiss ones. Without research there will be fewer.
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Two things that most people couldn't care less about.

Same with being able to live and work in the EU, most Swiss simple aren't interested and don't see these things as beneficial.

So they voted yes.

Tom
Well that's fine. As I said if that's what they want, then they are entitled to that, just so long as they realise they can't have everything.
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Old 13.02.2014, 14:28
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

I found this [German] commentary by naturalised Swiss citizen Jörg Kachelmann quite interesting.

Nothing that I would sign wholeheartedly, I must say, but his thoughts about the communication issues between Switzerland and the EU (e.g. regarding the taxation issues) and their influence on the vote did not come in my mind until now and for sure not up in the media.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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UDC/SVP had no answer to what to do about the electricity reciprocal arrangements being cancelled with France and Germany- from which we import a lot of our energy. Watch out for those prices taking off- hurrah.
I read in the 24h of yesterday that that the electricity arrangements weren't really at risk, because Germany imports elctricity from Italy, and thus it has to pass through Switzerland. It would then be very difficult to cut us off.

No idea if it's true though
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Cut us off is very different to big price increases though. We are very dependent on electricity imports. The rest of Europe will be very happy to charge us more and buy stuff from elsewhere- surprise ???

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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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About "Where will the line be drawn?"
I heard Blocher has German ancestry so clearly any line drawn will not go back so far
Was he not a Standartenführer in the army?
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I read in the 24h of yesterday that that the electricity arrangements weren't really at risk, because Germany imports elctricity from Italy, and thus it has to pass through Switzerland. It would then be very difficult to cut us off.

No idea if it's true though
Well, actually they intend to use the hydroelectric plants in Switzerland to store the energy they produce at night. Basically one big battery that lies smack in the middle of France, Germany, Austria and Italy.

So much for the talk about shooting one's own foot..

Edit: Ooops, sorry! Waaay too serious..
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With Switzerland being so much higher up than the rest of the countries in Europe, isn't there a risk of Swiss electricity leaking downhill and escaping completely?


Couldn't the Swiss build electric dams to keep their electricity safe?
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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The vote of last Sunday, although 1:4 of Stimmvolk, is still disappointing, because it seems more a (bad) emotional signal than a rational decision.

For sure there are any emotional votes included, as with every vote I guess. Also with every vote we have disappointed people along with the results. Of course we have to accept some restrictions made by the EU, I'm not starry-eyed, this is also a result of the vote. But right now, our "glorious 7 in Berne"(which are still not elected by the people, unfortunately) have to do something. They have to wake up from hibernation. We are (once more) the rebels in Europe, as it happened so many times in history. Once again, Switzerland has still a need for skilled workers, doesn't matter which country they're coming from, as Olygirl wrote in a former post on my behalf.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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We are very dependent on electricity imports EXPORTS.
FTFY.

"Bern, 17.04.2013 - In 2012, end electricity consumption in Switzerland rose by 0.6% to 59.0 billion kilowatt hours (kWh); domestic consumption (including losses occurring in transmission and distribution) was 63.4 billion kWh. Production at Switzerland's power plants rose by 8.2% to 68.0 billion kWh, or 65.6 billion kWh after deduction of electricity consumed by storage pumps. Overall this resulted in an electricity export surplus of 2.2 billion kWh compared to an import surplus of 2.6 billion kWh in 2011."

http://www.bfe.admin.ch/energie/00588/00589/00644/index.html?lang=en&msg-id=48529

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