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Re: SVP MP Spoke in Germany - Video with English Translation

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Amen to that. I did provide sources but apparently I was talking out of my behind.
yes but you know, some sources are only valid if they are pro-SVP

also people on this forum are experts to say which sources are valid, e.g. Blick, 20 minutes are not valid sources...but NZZ is...mmm yeah right
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Re: SVP MP Spoke in Germany - Video with English Translation

Oskar is the guest of honour of our local UDC party this week-end, but I've not been invited

This guy actually teaches history in a secondary school.
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Old 16.09.2011, 22:33
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As much as I dislike the SVP propaganda and policies, there are some ideas behind their rhetoric that are shared by perfectly reasonable non-partisan people and that are backed with some facts.

you post this neocon racist bull$hit, and simon_ch thanks you for it. tells me a lot about your mentality.

not very surprised to hear you guys are defending SVP politics either, you try to do it in a kind a subtle way (oh look i have to play the devils advocate here, ho ho ho) but its hard to hide your color if you talk too much

here is my response to the video: YEAH BABY, we are taking over the frikkin Europe, and there is nothing you can do about it! (well, except, you can spend less time posting racist videos and put more effort in the bedroom and make some nice white christian babies)

until then, peace!
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you post this neocon racist bull$hit, and simon_ch thanks you for it. tells me a lot about your mentality.

not very surprised to hear you guys are defending SVP politics either, you try to do it in a kind a subtle way (oh look i have to play the devils advocate here, ho ho ho) but its hard to hide your color if you talk too much

here is my response to the video: YEAH BABY, we are taking over the frikkin Europe, and there is nothing you can do about it! (well, except, you can spend less time posting racist videos and put more effort in the bedroom and make some nice white christian babies)

until then, peace!
Shouldn't you be taking your Prozak tonight?
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Old 16.09.2011, 22:46
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Shouldn't you be taking your Prozak tonight?
hey, i wanted to chime in and let you guys know what the subjects of these discussions (like me) think, cant you just appreciate that?

its kinda like a different perspective for you, no?
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hey, i wanted to chime in and let you guys know what the subjects of these discussions (like me) think, cant you just appreciate that?

its kinda like a different perspective for you, no?
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YEAH BABY, we are taking over the frikkin Europe, and there is nothing you can do about it!
Islam in Europe could be eradicated in a fortnight.

I hope it never comes to that.
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Old 17.09.2011, 11:06
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Islam in Europe could be eradicated in a fortnight.

I hope it never comes to that.
actually, you are quite right, Europe is still fully capable of doing that, and i thank you for your honesty

(not that i approve your suggestion for a new holocau$t)
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(not that i approve your suggestion for a new holocau$t)
An observation is not a suggestion.
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a crystal fortnight ?
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Re: SVP MP Spoke in Germany - Video with English Translation

My mother was a student in Munich at that time - not something she would advocate as a 'good' solution
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Re: SVP MP Spoke in Germany - Video with English Translation

I don't think anybody calls that any kind of solution, but when the discussion about immigration, foreigners and other synonymous euphemisms uses a certain rhetorics, certain ideas come into mind. The force of analogy. Not a good analytical tool but a powerful political one.
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The poster of the black boots certainly reminds me of those times - and Oskar's 'over enthusiastic tone of voice and speech too- difficult not to.

So DB, would you have voted for the Apartheid regime, just because many fought against it? (yes I know- sarcasm and all that).
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Re: SVP MP Spoke in Germany - Video with English Translation

the problem with the left is that after the fall of the soviet union it lots its narrative and through that lost its significance.

In fact, what the left has been trying to do for the last 20 years is figure out whether or not you can put a nice soft face on capitalism. Whether you can take out the 'harsh' side of capitalism and kind of make yourself feel warm and fuzzy, like how the Norwegians and Swedes live and so on.

this is not the answer. putting lipstick on a capitalist pig doesn't change the fact it's a capitalist pig.
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Re: SVP MP Spoke in Germany - Video with English Translation

I have a question about the SVP. Arguably, Muslims, Eastern Europeans, and Africans rank much higher on the SVP's list of "people we'd rather not have in Switzerland" than Western Europeans, Asians, and Americans---but I suspect the latter are still on the list. Am I right, or am I way off?
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Recently they are too - as those new immigrants are making much more demands on the 'system' in many ways- according to the SVP being responsible for huge rent rises, housing development and ensueing loss of green space, traffic increases, pressure on the education system, etc. So one kind of immigrant is seen by SVP has causing security problems and 'sponging' on the State, the new, let's say Anglo-Saxon immigrants making demands which are changing Swiss society and making life difficult for the 'average Swiss".

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Les journalistes de la RSR ont réussi à obtenir un témoignage très intéressant, et surtout très rare : le responsable d’une régie immobilière du canton de Vaud à Lausanne a indiqué pendant le reportage que certains de leurs propriétaires ne voulaient louer leur appartement qu’à des expatriés. La raison ? C’est en général l’entreprise qui paye (il y a donc un meilleure garantie de solvabilité), mais surtout elles peuvent le louer à un autre tarif : alors même que le bien cité en exemple par le professionnel était sur le marché à 1 200 CHF par mois, il a été loué à un expatrié pour la somme de 2 850 CHF… C’est extrêmement choquant, et tout le monde, hormis la régie et le propriétaire, est perdant dans cette affaire.

Sorry this is in French. In short, Swiss radio journalists were able to get confirmation that Estate agents and owners by Lake Leman, in this case Lausanne, will currently only rent Ex-pat tenants. The reason is that as the Company often pays, they have more security of tenure- but mainly because they can then charge very inflated prices. For instance a flat on the market for 1200CHF per month- was eventually rented to an ex-pat for 2850CHF = a lot more than double!

I know 2 people who are Estate agents in the Geneva area who have confirmed this (they are making a bomb too!). I also have friends in Geneva who work for the public sector, and have had to move away when they had children, as they could NOT find any accommodation suitable, let alone at prices any 'normal' person can afford. I find the SVP/UDC xenophobic stance appalling, but it is wrong to ignore the truth.

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but I suspect the latter are still on the list. Am I right, or am I way off?
That would be another topic, but I hear very negative comments about the huge pharma-expat communitities in Basel from people voting for SP too.

In a COOP last week, an english speaker in the line just before me pushed the wrong button for the fruits, so the price was wrong and did not understand what the problem was. He asked politely "English please?" but the lady just answered in German "No English" - I helped - but then, she added "I speak other languages, he only one" and looked at me honnestly sorry. The comment of the younger ladies after me in the queue were in the same line. Basically "tough luck, dear, you have to do some work too in the language department, not everybody adapt to you all the time, it has to be you adapting to others sometimes" kind of discussion. I left the ladies then so I don't know what they said after I left, given the fact that they could hear that I don't speak like a Swiss.
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Re: SVP MP Spoke in Germany - Video with English Translation

"Recently they are too - as those new immigrants are making much more demands on the 'system' in many ways- according to the SVP being responsible for huge rent rises, housing development and ensueing loss of green space, traffic increases, pressure on the education system, etc. So one kind of immigrant is seen by SVP has causing security problems and 'sponging' on the State, the new, let's say Anglo-Saxon immigrants making demands which are changing Swiss society and making life difficult for the 'average Swiss"."

you cant have your cake and eat it too: its clear that swiss industry, academia and economy in general would be second rate without all the immigrant talent, and the swiss authorities know it well (including SVP). But, they are fighting for the heart and minds of the average swiss who may have resentments towards foreigners for one reason or another. SVP can not be stupid enough to ban all immigration, and they are making a political mistake by putting all immigrants into one basket. Even for the most xenophobic voter, a nice whitie american or brit can not be equal a brownie from the middle east.
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Your last sentence is extremely offensive, really.

Actually the UDC/SVP have recently made it clear that there are different groups of immigrants, bringing different 'problems' as my statement above.

I agree about not having the cake and eating it - remember my comments were about the UDC/SVP recent statements, not mine at all. But you have to see that, just as the strong CHF is NOT advantageous to your average native Swiss, neither is the huge incoming numbers of businesses like big pharmas and toiletries, investments banks, etc, as they bring little employment for native Swiss (yes, we can discuss the reasons for this, but another time)- but a lot of disadvantages as listed in my previous post. But is also illustrates the need for incomers to try and adjust TOO, and make more effort (often) with language, etc. The 'let's shout louder in English' brigade really does put people's noses right out. (Not mine - I lived in the UK for 40+ years and I do enjoy speaking English). The SVP/UDC stance is appalling, but the 'new wealthy immigrant' attitude is often not much better, sorry. It does indeed take 2 to tango.

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