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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

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Spoken like a true aviator.
Speaking of which, when do we have EF's first fly-in? I suggest Gruyères, centrally located and amazing fondue
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Old 21.09.2011, 13:38
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Speaking of which, when do we have EF's first fly-in? I suggest Gruyères, centrally located and amazing fondue

We'd be there. We're in a group co-owning Pilatus P2 HB-RAZ. Wanted to go out to the new Bressaucourt airfield opening up in the Jura this weekend, but we need to complete some minor engine maintenance.

http://www.aerojura.ch/
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

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We'd be there. We're in a group co-owning Pilatus P2 HB-RAZ. Wanted to go out to the new Bressaucourt airfield opening up in the Jura this weekend, but we need to complete some minor engine maintenance.

http://www.aerojura.ch/
Bressaucourt is cool. A bit tricky when windy.

October 1st? (in Gruyères I mean - lunch options are far better).

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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

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Bressaucourt is cool. A bit tricky when windy.

October 1st? (in Gruyères I mean - lunch options are far better).
Have you flown into Bressaucourt already then?
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

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Have you flown into Bressaucourt already then?
Yup.

(this message would be too short otherwise).
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Old 21.09.2011, 14:57
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Lack of forward planning is what screwed up the U.K's transport infrastructure.
that, and the belief that good solutions can be had on the cheap.
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

All this talk about the Germans being upset with the Swiss flights. Considering a large % of the total flights are Swiss Air maybe they should be complaining to Lufthansa. As the airport only opens for flights at 6am and stops at 11pm the noise can be tolerated.
I agree Zurich is bar far the easiest airport to use. I can arrive 35 minutes before a flight and still make the gate before it closes (checked in on-line). Just have a go at that in London, Paris, New York, Dubai.
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Sorry Wolli, but that bald assertion won't do - you're going to have to explain to me (being a bear of little brain) how rerouting said airway will reduce the airport's landing capacity.
Sure. If you relocate this air-route north, you will have to shift intra-German airtraffic further north as well, and into the landing approach areas zones of Echterdingen. You cannot move anything farther north from Stuttgart as that would affect Frankfurt-am-Main which is of a far higher priority. But the option I described only become effective once Switzerland starts the "shortened landing approach" into Zurich-Airport which for some political reasons is delayed. The "shortened landing approach" does not need ANY changes to runways etc at ZRH but some additional lightings north-west and west of ZRH. THIS is what those in charge are shrinking from, at least until after the elections.
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Old 21.09.2011, 23:35
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

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The things that make ZRH such a joy to use are the things that say to me that it's vastly underutilised for the size of airport that it is. I don't think I've ever had to queue for anything there - it's just straight through all the time. It's certainly not the seething mass of people that Heathrow, Stansted or Schipol is.

In that respect I left thinking that this initiative to prevent further development is about 10 years premature, if at all needed.
Sorry but your comparison is strange, to put it mildly. ZRH can be compared to AMS, but only is about 30% of LHR,. while at the other hand being clearly larger than STN or LTN. Sure, LGW in the early 70ies was smaller than ZRH, but now is twice the size. MUC was smaller but is now clearly ahead. And the combination of MIL and MXP was similar to ZRH but within a short time will be about three times as large (in spite of the Consigliere and the financial problems of Italy) ---- not least as after the opening of the new Gotthard-Tunnel, ZRH/HB will only be 2 hours away from MXP where the plains of the Bad Thinking (translate MALpensa ) have vast reserves !
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Bressaucourt is cool. A bit tricky when windy.

October 1st? (in Gruyères I mean - lunch options are far better).
just a link

http://www.aerojura.ch/

and here Gruyères

http://www.aerodrome-gruyere.ch/restaurant.htm
http://www.aerodrome-gruyere.ch/rest.../carte-ete.pdf

looks really nice.
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Sorry Wolli, but that bald assertion won't do - you're going to have to explain to me (being a bear of little brain) how rerouting said airway will reduce the airport's landing capacity.
Sure. If you relocate this air-route north, you will have to shift intra-German airtraffic further north as well, and into the landing approach areas zones of Echterdingen. You cannot move anything farther north from Stuttgart as that would affect Frankfurt-am-Main which is of a far higher priority.
None of which affects landing capacity at EDSS, at worst it makes a flight into Stuttgart a bit longer. Thank you for correcting yourself


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ZRH can be compared to AMS, but only is about 30% of LHR,
Really Wolli, why are you posting this nonsense?

If (as I don't think you are) you're talking about physical size and facilities, you need to go visit AMS sometime and have a wander round.

If, as the 30% you refer to seems to indicate, you're talking about passengers handled you need to do some research before saying such silly things. AMS handled 45million passengers last year, with ZRH way behind with 23million.
(2010 figures quoted; for comparison, LHR handled 66 million people.)

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Since you forgot to include them while multi quoting weejeem
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Gruyères you can actually walk up into the old town (15 minute walk). Beats Bressaucourt by miles.
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

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I agree Zurich is bar far the easiest airport to use. I can arrive 35 minutes before a flight and still make the gate before it closes (checked in on-line). Just have a go at that in London, Paris, New York, Dubai.
Easily do-able at LCY (London City), one of the reasons I pay the extra to fly there rather than Heathrow.
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But the option I described only become effective once Switzerland starts the "shortened landing approach" into Zurich-Airport which for some political reasons is delayed.
PRNAV approaches are not delayed for political reasons.
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---- not least as after the opening of the new Gotthard-Tunnel, ZRH/HB will only be 2 hours away from MXP where the plains of the Bad Thinking (translate MALpensa ) have vast reserves !
Will the Cisalpino be stopping at Malapensa? It could be you're right but it's the first I'm hearing of it.
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Umm, we are now pretty off-topic, no? How about we get back to the initial discussion?
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

These narrow minded people should all go to italy!! (I can say that, I am italian)
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None of which affects landing capacity at EDSS, at worst it makes a flight into Stuttgart a bit longer. Thank you for correcting yourself






Really Wolli, why are you posting this nonsense?

If (as I don't think you are) you're talking about physical size and facilities, you need to go visit AMS sometime and have a wander round.

If, as the 30% you refer to seems to indicate, you're talking about passengers handled you need to do some research before saying such silly things. AMS handled 45million passengers last year, with ZRH way behind with 23million.
(2010 figures quoted; for comparison, LHR handled 66 million people.)
I in fact DID visit Schiphol several times. I in view of the figures however have to correct the comparison from ZRH-AMS to ZRH-BRU/DUS. It used to be ZRH-MUC/MIL(mxp+lin) but since them both haven risen quite considerably this also no longer works.

Longer approach-times for an airport are deadly. You can argue, as you do, that such things do not directly reduce the landing-capacities, accepted, but ARE negative for an airport. The Lufthansa-Group will go to considerable lengths to find productive solutions. To be clear about it, I have far more trust in the LH folks than in the CH politicians in this regard.
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Sorry guys - I might be a bit slow on this but where is the detail or plan that is being objected to?
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