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"Doris Leuthard Memorial International" maybe?
But only AFTER her passing away ! Before that it would be either BBI or BBA as IATA abbreviation with BBIA for ICAO
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But only AFTER her passing away ! Before that it would be either BBI or BBA as IATA abbreviation with BBIA for ICAO
Maybe "Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf Snowport International" could be Samedan when she gets voted out of the Bundesrat at the opening of the December parliamentary session?
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Maybe "Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf Snowport International" could be Samedan when she gets voted out of the Bundesrat at the opening of the December parliamentary session?
She then could become chair(wo)man of that EWSSI AG and bring a bit of live to that place
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Another iniciative from ignorants that belive that the "ideal world" do exist
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German court bans night flights at Frankfurt

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By Kurt Hofmann | October 12, 2011

A German court in Hessen ruled Tuesday that night flights will be banned at Frankfurt Airport (FRA) when the fourth runway opens Oct. 21 (ATW Daily News, Oct. 5).

The ban, which runs from 11 p.m. and 5 a.m., will affect 17 movements of mainly cargo flights.

Lufthansa Cargo, which operates 11 scheduled nighttime slots, is expecting considerable financial damage from the night ban as it must now reschedule or cancel several flights beginning with the winter schedule.

Resident complaints of aircraft noise from nearby Russelsheim and Offenbach were the reason for the court ruling.

During the summer season, FRA operated 4,585 weekly flights to 298 destinations and 250 weekly cargo scheduled flights. In 2010, FRA had 464,432 movements and an average of 150,000 passengers per day, for a total of 53 million passengers for the year.

Germany’s Federal Administration Court will make a decision on night flights at FRA later this year, or at the start of 2012, which will take precedence over the ruling of the Hesse court, Reuters reported.
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

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Exclusive—Reaction has been fast and furious as an October 30th deadline looms and countdown begins for yesterday’s stunning news out of Germany: Europe’s most important air cargo gateway is facing total annihilation as the result of a local judge’s ruling, demanding all night flights be terminated at Frankfurt International Airport.
The word came down just barely two weeks before the opening of the gateway’s new runway.
Terming October 11 “Black Tuesday,” many air cargo people are wondering if it is even possible for Germany to allow a single individual to affect so many lives and incomes worldwide.
Peter Marx, (left) the vice president of environmental management at Fraport, slammed the decision as “a big mess” during a speech at the Smart Airports, going on this week in Munich.
Mr. Marx, right on the mark overstating the obvious, said that the closure would be a “big, big mess for cargo operations in particular.
“There are just two weeks to go before Frankfurt Airport opens its new runway and night flights have already been cancelled.
“As we know, noise abatement is the most important thing for airport operators when it comes to green initiatives, but no night flights between 11pm and 5am will cause a big, big mess for cargo handlers.”
The administrative supreme court of Hesse has banned night flights at Frankfurt Airport after complaints from residents, and has said the ban would start on October 30th with the new winter flight schedule.
Meantime, Lufthansa stated that “to implement such a ban at short notice will have significant economic consequences.”
It is no surprise that Lufthansa is reportedly looking into possible legal measures, even though the Hesse court said in its statement no legal recourse was available.
Lufthansa upped the stare down with Hesse, saying:
“As far as we are concerned, the permitted movements are still valid until the decision of the Federal Administrative Court in Leipzig.”
The Leipzig court is slated to make its decision on night flights at Frankfurt Airport in the beginning of 2012.
Neel Shah, (right) Senior Vice President & Chief Cargo Officer for Delta Cargo, may not be an all cargo operator, but as top cargo executive of the biggest airline in the world, he is watching developments closely whilst planning for any eventuality.
“In general, I believe that the night ban will have a dramatic impact in the medium to long term on FRA as forwarders move their business and consolidations to gateways with a more freighter friendly operating stance.
“The other major gateways in Europe, such as AMS and CDG, could potentially see a big jump in volume if the German Federal Court upholds the lower court decision.
“Being a belly only carrier, the ban doesn't impact our operation, so we will be watching how it affects the local community and then take any appropriate action.
“We have already begun talking with our major customers to see how we can partner with them to try and mitigate the loss of direct nighttime freighter lift exit FRA and offer them more capacity on the Delta belly network.
“Taking a broader view, I believe that this is just another body blow that our industry has to absorb on top of the additional security measures and emissions trading schemes.
“I’m not sure why everyone feels the need to pick on the airline industry, because we provide an invaluable service to the world community and make very thin margins at the end of the day.”
We asked Neel Shah if he thinks air cargo will have to change the way it does business and no longer be a "night animal?"
“Possibly, but at the end of the day I believe that the action by the lower court of Hesse will probably be contained and a compromise solution will be reached that provides some victory to all stakeholders.”
Vienna-based cargo-partner turned over half a billion euros in 2010 and employs 2,300 staff worldwide, among them 180 in Germany.
The agent’s main gateway for air freight is Frankfurt.
Stefan Krauter, cargo-partner, told FlyingTypers:
"I recommend German authorities and politicians to look beyond the horizon.
“By doing so, they will see where their airlines' and airport's real competitors are – at the Gulf region.
“Shutting down central hubs like Frankfurt at night helps Dubai and others, but harms the aviation and logistics industry of Europe's leading economic powerhouse.
“The court's banning of night flights at times where the crisis in Europe and also in other markets spreads steadily is more than problematic and, to my understanding, counterproductive.
“It's similar to a slower, rolling car with somebody stepping additionally on the brakes.
“By stating he ‘can't see any reason why these (night) flights cannot be conducted at day times,’ the judge reveals little knowledge of interdependent global economic processes.
“Somebody that is used to handing down verdicts all the time has probably lost his sensibility for negative consequences resulting from decisions such as the night flight curfew for shippers, forwarders, handling agents and cargo carriers alike.”
Besides the economic impact, a number of environmental problems are also caused by the judges’ ruling.
“Since many goods will have to be trucked over longer distances from their German points of origins to airports in the Netherlands, Belgium or France that offer 24/7 traffic, the greenhouse gas emissions will increase and the highways additionally jammed as more traffic is inevitably produced.
“As a matter of fact, we at cargo-partner will increasingly utilize airports in the Benelux countries instead of Frankfurt for our imports that are bound to Eastern Europe.
“Again, this causes additional trucking and carbon dioxide emissions, but the ruling of the judges in Hesse State leaves our company no alternative for moving our air freight.”
Taking a bit of a different tack, Ram Menen, (right) Divisional Senior Vice President Cargo at Emirates, said this of the Frankfurt night ban:
“It is sad that Germany is going to implement night ban.
“Cargo is a night animal; night flying is the most efficient for overnight deliveries.
“Having said that, most European airports that we operate to have night ban of some sort, so our schedules are set in such a way that we tend to get in and out of European airports before the ban sets in, or schedule to arrive when the airports reopen in the morning.
“Hence, we are not very affected by this ban in Frankfurt.
“Night flying, of course, would give us more flexibility in scheduling.
“Integrators who tend to have next day delivery are the folks who are going to be most affected.
“Home-based carriers will also have a challenge as the window of operational flexibility will get narrowed.
“We will, probably, see carriers who operate/rely on night time operations starting to move towards airports like Frankfurt-Hahn, Cologne, Liege, etc. who don’t implement the night bans.
“We are a creative industry and air cargo will find other alternatives to keep the wheels of commerce moving.”
Elsewhere, Bill Boesch, one of the top air cargo executives in the world currently on assignment developing logistics for the US military in the Middle East, said:
“The night bans are as old as I am in (45 years) air cargo.
“I recall when I first started out in the middle 60s, we had night bans because of noise.
“FRA had a night ban back then and when FedEx was expanding internationally, that company also experienced problems with FRA airports ‘curfew.’
“The industry then came out with quieter engines and even the famous ‘hush kits’ while some also looked at developing airports away from populated areas.
“Looking ahead, there will be some problem for the express guys who rely on overnight door to door service and some cargo flights may need to be rescheduled.
“There may also be some problems with slot times and hence crewing, but in the end the industry will work it out.
“After all, the majority of air cargo needs speed faster than sea or truck and the normal time for air cargo, including all the clearances, handling and inspections, averages about 4 to 5 days.
“The industry, if there is a problem, will need to speed up their ground time.
“No sweat—air cargo will overcome this setback,” Bill Boesch said.
We’re certain that’s true, given all the hurdles cargo has leapt over with the speedy muscles of a gazelle; we’re just hopeful the legislative arms of the world put down their guns and go hunting elsewhere—it’s time to give air cargo a break.
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

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Move over Frankfurt . . . a referendum could cripple Zurich Airport.
Sunday, November 27 will be a decisive day for Switzerland’s entire aviation industry and the national economy of the Alps state in general.
It is then that the inhabitants of Canton Zurich are called to the polls to decide on a referendum whether further improvements at the airport should be allowed or strictly prohibited by law. The popular vote became necessary after 42 individual municipalities opted against any enlargement of the existing runway system at Switzerland’s most important gateway, as well as the construction of additional runway capacity. In a complementary initiative, an additional group of aviation skeptics demand that approaches from southern flight paths should be completely forbidden due to noise, since this route leads over many populated areas.
Meanwhile, a growing number of aviation industry members are taking action to prevent the triumph of Zurich’s opponents in the upcoming plebiscite, which would paralyze any further development. The ‘pro ZRH’ movement is spearheaded by the passenger airline, Swiss, and its air freight division, Swiss WorldCargo.
In a recently published brochure, the carrier’s top management points out that roughly 180,000 people are working in Switzerland’s aviation industry or at suppliers. They account for an annual value of 30 billion Swiss Francs added to the national economy, with most of the sum being generated by Zurich-related enterprises. Furthermore, CEO Harry Hohmeister and chairman of the supervisory board, Bruno Gehrig, stress in their paper that, by value, one third of the country’s exports are leaving Switzerland by air.
Consequently, Swiss, together with other fellow campaigners, opts for a gradual enlargement and modernization of Zurich airport. “We made enormous efforts to reduce noise emissions at this site by continuously modernizing our fleet,” states Swiss WorldCargo’s helm, Oliver Evans.
Technological improvements, he emphasizes, are a much better way to solve problems and further lowering the noise footprint, than plebiscites, which eventually block the airport and its business partners from any future development. To convince the neighborhood accordingly, Swiss WorldCargo started an awareness campaign, driving an old Volkswagen to the nearby municipalities in order to engage in intense dialogues with the electorates. “We do our utmost to convince people that a blockade of the airport would lead to a multitude of negative implications, not only for us at Swiss or the airport but the entire economy of this country,” warns Oliver Evans.


Support comes from Moritz Leuenberger, president of the influential Swiss Luftfahrtstiftung (aviation foundation). If the referendum is successful, the competitiveness of the entire country would be at stake, he warns. Especially the Zurich-based cluster of scientific, technological, cultural, and economic institutions, which could not progress any further and would inevitably fall behind. The evening of November 27 will show if these arguments successfully convinced the majority of Canton Zurich’s residents.
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

In short, serves them right. Those FRA chaps smilingly enjoyed it to see that ZRH due to those German people north of the border and due to opposition inside the CH border years ago had to introduce a night curfew. Those FRA chaps not for a second defended the positions of ZRH and now, when being hit by the same, do they seriously expect any tears ?


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Exclusive—Reaction has been fast and furious as an October 30th deadline looms and countdown begins for yesterday’s stunning news out of Germany: Europe’s most important air cargo gateway is facing total annihilation as the result of a local judge’s ruling, demanding all night flights be terminated at Frankfurt International Airport.
The word came down just barely two weeks before the opening of the gateway’s new runway.
Terming October 11 “Black Tuesday,” many air cargo people are wondering if it is even possible for Germany to allow a single individual to affect so many lives and incomes worldwide.
Peter Marx, (left) the vice president of environmental management at Fraport, slammed the decision as “a big mess” during a speech at the Smart Airports, going on this week in Munich.
Mr. Marx, right on the mark overstating the obvious, said that the closure would be a “big, big mess for cargo operations in particular.
“There are just two weeks to go before Frankfurt Airport opens its new runway and night flights have already been cancelled.
“As we know, noise abatement is the most important thing for airport operators when it comes to green initiatives, but no night flights between 11pm and 5am will cause a big, big mess for cargo handlers.”
The administrative supreme court of Hesse has banned night flights at Frankfurt Airport after complaints from residents, and has said the ban would start on October 30th with the new winter flight schedule.
Meantime, Lufthansa stated that “to implement such a ban at short notice will have significant economic consequences.”
It is no surprise that Lufthansa is reportedly looking into possible legal measures, even though the Hesse court said in its statement no legal recourse was available.
Lufthansa upped the stare down with Hesse, saying:
“As far as we are concerned, the permitted movements are still valid until the decision of the Federal Administrative Court in Leipzig.”
The Leipzig court is slated to make its decision on night flights at Frankfurt Airport in the beginning of 2012.
Neel Shah, (right) Senior Vice President & Chief Cargo Officer for Delta Cargo, may not be an all cargo operator, but as top cargo executive of the biggest airline in the world, he is watching developments closely whilst planning for any eventuality.
“In general, I believe that the night ban will have a dramatic impact in the medium to long term on FRA as forwarders move their business and consolidations to gateways with a more freighter friendly operating stance.
“The other major gateways in Europe, such as AMS and CDG, could potentially see a big jump in volume if the German Federal Court upholds the lower court decision.
“Being a belly only carrier, the ban doesn't impact our operation, so we will be watching how it affects the local community and then take any appropriate action.
“We have already begun talking with our major customers to see how we can partner with them to try and mitigate the loss of direct nighttime freighter lift exit FRA and offer them more capacity on the Delta belly network.
“Taking a broader view, I believe that this is just another body blow that our industry has to absorb on top of the additional security measures and emissions trading schemes.
“I’m not sure why everyone feels the need to pick on the airline industry, because we provide an invaluable service to the world community and make very thin margins at the end of the day.”
We asked Neel Shah if he thinks air cargo will have to change the way it does business and no longer be a "night animal?"
“Possibly, but at the end of the day I believe that the action by the lower court of Hesse will probably be contained and a compromise solution will be reached that provides some victory to all stakeholders.”
Vienna-based cargo-partner turned over half a billion euros in 2010 and employs 2,300 staff worldwide, among them 180 in Germany.
The agent’s main gateway for air freight is Frankfurt.
Stefan Krauter, cargo-partner, told FlyingTypers:
"I recommend German authorities and politicians to look beyond the horizon.
“By doing so, they will see where their airlines' and airport's real competitors are – at the Gulf region.
“Shutting down central hubs like Frankfurt at night helps Dubai and others, but harms the aviation and logistics industry of Europe's leading economic powerhouse.
“The court's banning of night flights at times where the crisis in Europe and also in other markets spreads steadily is more than problematic and, to my understanding, counterproductive.
“It's similar to a slower, rolling car with somebody stepping additionally on the brakes.
“By stating he ‘can't see any reason why these (night) flights cannot be conducted at day times,’ the judge reveals little knowledge of interdependent global economic processes.
“Somebody that is used to handing down verdicts all the time has probably lost his sensibility for negative consequences resulting from decisions such as the night flight curfew for shippers, forwarders, handling agents and cargo carriers alike.”
Besides the economic impact, a number of environmental problems are also caused by the judges’ ruling.
“Since many goods will have to be trucked over longer distances from their German points of origins to airports in the Netherlands, Belgium or France that offer 24/7 traffic, the greenhouse gas emissions will increase and the highways additionally jammed as more traffic is inevitably produced.
“As a matter of fact, we at cargo-partner will increasingly utilize airports in the Benelux countries instead of Frankfurt for our imports that are bound to Eastern Europe.
“Again, this causes additional trucking and carbon dioxide emissions, but the ruling of the judges in Hesse State leaves our company no alternative for moving our air freight.”
Taking a bit of a different tack, Ram Menen, (right) Divisional Senior Vice President Cargo at Emirates, said this of the Frankfurt night ban:
“It is sad that Germany is going to implement night ban.
“Cargo is a night animal; night flying is the most efficient for overnight deliveries.
“Having said that, most European airports that we operate to have night ban of some sort, so our schedules are set in such a way that we tend to get in and out of European airports before the ban sets in, or schedule to arrive when the airports reopen in the morning.
“Hence, we are not very affected by this ban in Frankfurt.
“Night flying, of course, would give us more flexibility in scheduling.
“Integrators who tend to have next day delivery are the folks who are going to be most affected.
“Home-based carriers will also have a challenge as the window of operational flexibility will get narrowed.
“We will, probably, see carriers who operate/rely on night time operations starting to move towards airports like Frankfurt-Hahn, Cologne, Liege, etc. who don’t implement the night bans.
“We are a creative industry and air cargo will find other alternatives to keep the wheels of commerce moving.”
Elsewhere, Bill Boesch, one of the top air cargo executives in the world currently on assignment developing logistics for the US military in the Middle East, said:
“The night bans are as old as I am in (45 years) air cargo.
“I recall when I first started out in the middle 60s, we had night bans because of noise.
“FRA had a night ban back then and when FedEx was expanding internationally, that company also experienced problems with FRA airports ‘curfew.’
“The industry then came out with quieter engines and even the famous ‘hush kits’ while some also looked at developing airports away from populated areas.
“Looking ahead, there will be some problem for the express guys who rely on overnight door to door service and some cargo flights may need to be rescheduled.
“There may also be some problems with slot times and hence crewing, but in the end the industry will work it out.
“After all, the majority of air cargo needs speed faster than sea or truck and the normal time for air cargo, including all the clearances, handling and inspections, averages about 4 to 5 days.
“The industry, if there is a problem, will need to speed up their ground time.
“No sweat—air cargo will overcome this setback,” Bill Boesch said.
We’re certain that’s true, given all the hurdles cargo has leapt over with the speedy muscles of a gazelle; we’re just hopeful the legislative arms of the world put down their guns and go hunting elsewhere—it’s time to give air cargo a break.
Geoffrey/Heiner/Flossie
For the many allcargo flight operators, this, just announced two weeks before the change into the winter schedules is a disaster. Once again, aircargo is MIStreated by authorities as something of negligable importance.

Lufthansa Cargo Airlines is trying to re-schedule its allcargo-flights to daylight times but of course has problems with insufficient slots. It may have to follow the lead set by Air Cargo Germany (ACG) which operates out of Frankfurt-Hahn. The problem for the Lufthansa Group is that cargo arriving in FRA on passenger flights (a good part of all aircargo, possibly a majority, is carried on passnger airplanes) will have to be trucked over to Hahn for the connections. And from Hahn over to FRA/Main. In Zürich, the night-ban came in stages over many years, which gave the operators time to adjust. The damage to Zürich Airport, loss of airline-operators, loss of business, loss of air-routes nevertheless was considerable.

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Support comes from Moritz Leuenberger, president of the influential Swiss Luftfahrtstiftung (aviation foundation). If the referendum is successful, the competitiveness of the entire country would be at stake, he warns. Especially the Zurich-based cluster of scientific, technological, cultural, and economic institutions, which could not progress any further and would inevitably fall behind. The evening of November 27 will show if these arguments successfully convinced the majority of Canton Zurich’s residents.
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

My voting papers hit the Gemeinde Postbox yesterday morning. Two "no" votes to support ZRH and keep the nation equipped with one of the best airports in the world.
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

I was all for voting for the airport to be allowed to expand despite that i don't fly. I always just figured that only people that don't fly should have a right to oppose the expansion but I choose not to be one of them.

Then, last week, my father-in-law explained what extending one of the runways would mean for their village.

I'm a selfish bastard. He didn't notice what he was telling me... I did... in my mind his words (which were nothing like what the voice in my head said) told me "there will be more flights approaching over his house, he will die one day, the house will be mine, more flights = lower house-value."

Like I said, I'm a selfish bastard, but it got me thinking.
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Today's the day. If you can vote and haven't yet, please go cast your vote.
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Today's the day. If you can vote and haven't yet, please go cast your vote.
Looked at some newspapers but could not find one that promises to have a special piece on giving the results early. Anybody got a good link?

Found this link but I do not know how fast it will be updated? Also does not mention Ständersrat?
http://www.statistik.zh.ch/internet/...html#a-content

Found the Ständersrat
http://www.statistik.zh.ch/internet/...html#a-content

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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Way it looks so far with about half the results counted in Zürich is that all the iniatitives are rejected, as is Blocher.
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

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Way it looks so far with about half the results counted in Zürich is that all the iniatitives are rejected, as is Blocher.
This is good news absolutely. Looks almost certain in case of the two votes and definitely true in regard to Blocher NOT being elected into the Ständerat. I now wait for the result in St. Gallen where "ibn-Blocher" (Toni Brunner) may succeed

Update: In Aargau, Mrs Egerszegi is elected and Mr Giezendanner of the SVP is OUT. AND, it looks as if in St. Gallen, SP man Rechsteiner may conquer against "ibn-Blocher" .... this however is not yet secured

It now is definite, in St. Gallen, SVP top-man Toni Brunner lost to SP man Paul Rechsteiner, in Zürich Christoph Blocher lost quite clearly, in Uri, the GLP man Stadler could defend his seat against the SVP onslaught and in Aargau Mrs Egerszegi won against Mr Giezendanner.

Over to Zürich. Both anti-airport-initiatives were defeated clearly. Seeing that the SVP was important as bringing staunch conservatives into the NO-vote shows what this party in future will have to do. Supporting right-of-centre-coalitions and agreeing to compromises.

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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

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This is good news absolutely. Looks almost certain in case of the two votes and definitely true in regard to Blocher NOT being elected into the Ständerat. I now wait for the result in St. Gallen where "ibn-Blocher" (Toni Brunner) may succeed

Update: In Aargau, Mrs Egerszegi is elected and Mr Giezendanner of the SVP is OUT. AND, it looks as if in St. Gallen, SP man Rechsteiner may conquer against "ibn-Blocher" .... this however is not yet secured
Surprise (for me anyway) is Peter Föhn (SVP) was voted into Ständerat in Schwyz.

As you say Rechsteiner & Brunner are neck & neck.... see here for latest results
http://www.abstimmungen.sg.ch/home/s...rgebnisse.html
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

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Today's the day. If you can vote and haven't yet, please go cast your vote.
But I wanna watch the gray cup http://greycup.cfl.ca/ I vote for BC Lions
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Surprise (for me anyway) is Peter Föhn (SVP) was voted into Ständerat in Schwyz.

As you say Rechsteiner & Brunner are neck & neck.... see here for latest results
http://www.abstimmungen.sg.ch/home/s...rgebnisse.html

So Brunner did not make it; Rechsteiner was about 1,000 votes ahead.

& it looks like my forecast in a post of some days ago will be correct, that Blocher will get less votes in this second round than he did first time; currently looks about 10% less.
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Happy to see this thing lose. Living near the German border in northern Switzerland I have always wondered what "germans" are complaining about the noise? There are only 10 Germans, and about 500 cows living along the border so we need to cut out this nonsense about so many people being affected.

Another thing that needs to change is the power of the people in southern Zurich canton. These nonsense referendums will never end as long as these people have the time, money, voting majority and resolve to fight on. In my opinion strategic infrastructure projects such as roads, airports etc should be voted on by the whole country, not by a few self absorbed rich folk. The area from Rafz to Bulach has needed a new highway for more than 25 years but the vote is always no thanks to our friends in the south. It maks ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!!
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