Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Swiss politics/news  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #81  
Old 27.11.2011, 16:28
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 18,978
Groaned at 332 Times in 257 Posts
Thanked 11,715 Times in 6,858 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Quote:
View Post
Surprise (for me anyway) is Peter Föhn (SVP) was voted into Ständerat in Schwyz.

As you say Rechsteiner & Brunner are neck & neck.... see here for latest results
http://www.abstimmungen.sg.ch/home/s...rgebnisse.html
But GLP man Stadler in Uri suceeded against the SVP
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Wollishofener for this useful post:
  #82  
Old 27.11.2011, 16:36
Assassin's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Chasing clouds
Posts: 4,023
Groaned at 180 Times in 123 Posts
Thanked 11,558 Times in 3,148 Posts
Assassin has a reputation beyond reputeAssassin has a reputation beyond reputeAssassin has a reputation beyond reputeAssassin has a reputation beyond reputeAssassin has a reputation beyond reputeAssassin has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Good job with the airport initiative being rejected. I have to say that the 58% no vote was lower than I expected, I was figuring on a 65-70% figure.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Assassin for this useful post:
  #83  
Old 27.11.2011, 16:41
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 18,978
Groaned at 332 Times in 257 Posts
Thanked 11,715 Times in 6,858 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Quote:
View Post
Good job with the airport initiative being rejected. I have to say that the 58% no vote was lower than I expected, I was figuring on a 65-70% figure.
I am positively surprised as I hoped for a 51,1% NO, and feared a 52% yes. With more than 55% NO, it was a clear rejection, even if for sure many airport-opposers voted NO (against the airport)
Reply With Quote
  #84  
Old 27.11.2011, 18:09
cannut's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: canada
Posts: 6,913
Groaned at 182 Times in 142 Posts
Thanked 6,191 Times in 3,404 Posts
cannut has a reputation beyond reputecannut has a reputation beyond reputecannut has a reputation beyond reputecannut has a reputation beyond reputecannut has a reputation beyond reputecannut has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Quote:
View Post
Good job with the airport initiative being rejected. I have to say that the 58% no vote was lower than I expected, I was figuring on a 65-70% figure.
Out of 44% of votersI hope more then 44% watching the gray cup
Reply With Quote
  #85  
Old 27.11.2011, 18:15
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 11,803
Groaned at 610 Times in 516 Posts
Thanked 21,735 Times in 11,415 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Quote:
View Post
Out of 44% of votersI hope more then 44% watching the gray cup
I have a friend who was in the parade, last but one group.
Reply With Quote
  #86  
Old 27.11.2011, 18:32
cannut's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: canada
Posts: 6,913
Groaned at 182 Times in 142 Posts
Thanked 6,191 Times in 3,404 Posts
cannut has a reputation beyond reputecannut has a reputation beyond reputecannut has a reputation beyond reputecannut has a reputation beyond reputecannut has a reputation beyond reputecannut has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Quote:
View Post
I have a friend who was in the parade, last but one group.
Gray cup parade ?Sh1t it was raining
Reply With Quote
  #87  
Old 27.11.2011, 18:38
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 11,803
Groaned at 610 Times in 516 Posts
Thanked 21,735 Times in 11,415 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Quote:
View Post
Gray cup parade ?Sh1t it was raining
& very cold she said
Reply With Quote
  #88  
Old 29.11.2011, 11:01
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: La Cote
Posts: 382
Groaned at 18 Times in 8 Posts
Thanked 307 Times in 147 Posts
Nyonais has made some interesting contributions
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

The opponents of further improvements and construction activities at Zurich airport faced a crushing defeat in a referendum held last Sunday.
Exactly 58.8 percent of the electorate at Canton Zurich voted in favor of the future development of the airport, thus rejecting the initiative of neighboring communities and dwellers to freeze all expansion and modernization plans at ZRH at once.
In total, 214,000 people supported ongoing or upcoming airport enhancements while 150,750 opted for stopping all activities entirely.
In a release, Zurich’s airport management welcomed the outcome of the referendum, stating:
“A blockade of future airport developments is obviously not wanted by a clear majority of Canton Zurich’s inhabitants.”
Prior to the decision at a meeting in Hamburg, CEO Harry Hohmeister (left) of Swiss Airlines told members of the German Association of Aviation Journalists that a negative outcome of the plebiscite would lead to a standstill at Zurich airport.
A stalemate, however, leads to regression, since other airports and competing carriers continue growing. Profits then diminish, leaving an airline with no real future.
“If our hub should be crippled by a majority of voters, our intercontinental flights will have to shrink continuously from 2015 on.
“Ten years from now, we will only be able to offer four, five or at most six intercontinental flights out of Zurich.”
Currently the airport reports 280,000 movements annually. This number can be upped to 350,000 by optimizing the existing runway system, but only if the apron is enlarged to offer airlines additional parking positions for their aircraft. In addition, both runways would be moderately extended.
The hurdle for getting improvements done was eliminated last Sunday due to the referendum by Zurich’s electorate.
Heiner Siegmund/Flossie
__________________
Some times you are the pigeon, some times the statue!
Reply With Quote
  #89  
Old 29.11.2011, 11:12
cricketer's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: near zurich
Posts: 1,196
Groaned at 29 Times in 22 Posts
Thanked 1,051 Times in 427 Posts
cricketer has a reputation beyond reputecricketer has a reputation beyond reputecricketer has a reputation beyond reputecricketer has a reputation beyond reputecricketer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Where are the plans for the runway extensions to be found??



Quote:
View Post
The opponents of further improvements and construction activities at Zurich airport faced a crushing defeat in a referendum held last Sunday.
Exactly 58.8 percent of the electorate at Canton Zurich voted in favor of the future development of the airport, thus rejecting the initiative of neighboring communities and dwellers to freeze all expansion and modernization plans at ZRH at once.
In total, 214,000 people supported ongoing or upcoming airport enhancements while 150,750 opted for stopping all activities entirely.
In a release, Zurich’s airport management welcomed the outcome of the referendum, stating:
“A blockade of future airport developments is obviously not wanted by a clear majority of Canton Zurich’s inhabitants.”
Prior to the decision at a meeting in Hamburg, CEO Harry Hohmeister (left) of Swiss Airlines told members of the German Association of Aviation Journalists that a negative outcome of the plebiscite would lead to a standstill at Zurich airport.
A stalemate, however, leads to regression, since other airports and competing carriers continue growing. Profits then diminish, leaving an airline with no real future.
“If our hub should be crippled by a majority of voters, our intercontinental flights will have to shrink continuously from 2015 on.
“Ten years from now, we will only be able to offer four, five or at most six intercontinental flights out of Zurich.”
Currently the airport reports 280,000 movements annually. This number can be upped to 350,000 by optimizing the existing runway system, but only if the apron is enlarged to offer airlines additional parking positions for their aircraft. In addition, both runways would be moderately extended.
The hurdle for getting improvements done was eliminated last Sunday due to the referendum by Zurich’s electorate.
Heiner Siegmund/Flossie
Reply With Quote
  #90  
Old 29.11.2011, 11:13
Sbrinz's Avatar
RIP
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Murten - Morat
Posts: 11,866
Groaned at 563 Times in 354 Posts
Thanked 11,548 Times in 5,941 Posts
Sbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Good luck with the 70'000 extra aircraft movements annually, that's about 191 extra per day.

Time to move away from the noise, Geneva airport is fairly quiet as the population there have to travel to Zurich for many destinations.
Reply With Quote
  #91  
Old 29.11.2011, 11:21
Rob's Avatar
Rob Rob is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Baden AG
Posts: 465
Groaned at 9 Times in 8 Posts
Thanked 1,364 Times in 527 Posts
Rob has a reputation beyond reputeRob has a reputation beyond reputeRob has a reputation beyond reputeRob has a reputation beyond reputeRob has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Quote:
View Post
Good luck with the 70'000 extra aircraft movements annually, that's about 191 extra per day.

Time to move away from the noise, Geneva airport is fairly quiet as the population there have to travel to Zurich for many destinations.
But with a single runway isn't GVA pretty well maxed out?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Rob for this useful post:
  #92  
Old 29.11.2011, 11:33
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 11,803
Groaned at 610 Times in 516 Posts
Thanked 21,735 Times in 11,415 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Quote:
View Post
Good luck with the 70'000 extra aircraft movements annually, that's about 191 extra per day.

Time to move away from the noise, Geneva airport is fairly quiet as the population there have to travel to Zurich for many destinations.
But they fly to Zurich from Geneva for these flights, usually free or very cheaply
Reply With Quote
  #93  
Old 29.11.2011, 11:39
Sbrinz's Avatar
RIP
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Murten - Morat
Posts: 11,866
Groaned at 563 Times in 354 Posts
Thanked 11,548 Times in 5,941 Posts
Sbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Quote:
View Post
But they fly to Zurich from Geneva for these flights, usually free or very cheaply
Yes, and add to the already busy airspace, and not counting in the added fuel wastage.

When will people pull their heads out of the sand and see there is a need for more flights from Basel and Geneva, which would reduce the strain on Zurich?
Reply With Quote
  #94  
Old 29.11.2011, 11:40
Sbrinz's Avatar
RIP
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Murten - Morat
Posts: 11,866
Groaned at 563 Times in 354 Posts
Thanked 11,548 Times in 5,941 Posts
Sbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Quote:
View Post
But with a single runway isn't GVA pretty well maxed out?
No it isn't, and the flight paths are over low density population areas.
Reply With Quote
  #95  
Old 29.11.2011, 11:47
oldmanc's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: ex-CH-8058 Now in the Sandpit
Posts: 376
Groaned at 5 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 410 Times in 164 Posts
oldmanc is considered knowledgeableoldmanc is considered knowledgeableoldmanc is considered knowledgeable
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Quote:
View Post
Good luck with the 70'000 extra aircraft movements annually, that's about 191 extra per day.

...
It's a pleasure. Don't take this the wrong way, but modern turbofan engines are so efficient and quiet, we can't even hear the A380 depart and we live slightly offset from the its 16 departure route.

The Aircraft engine noise envelope will continue to reduce.
It's in everyone's interest.

Judging by the EF Complaints Forum, I would rather have more Airbus departures from ZRH, than be unfortunate enough to have appartment neighbours like some of our Forum Colleagues have
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank oldmanc for this useful post:
  #96  
Old 29.11.2011, 11:53
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Geneva
Posts: 5,514
Groaned at 123 Times in 108 Posts
Thanked 3,297 Times in 1,737 Posts
Shorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond reputeShorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond reputeShorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond reputeShorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond reputeShorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond reputeShorrick Mk2 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Quote:
View Post
No it isn't, and the flight paths are over low density population areas.
Actually, it is, but never mind...

And La Côte isn't exactly a "low density area" either.
Reply With Quote
  #97  
Old 29.11.2011, 11:56
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 12,361
Groaned at 338 Times in 274 Posts
Thanked 26,263 Times in 11,000 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Quote:
View Post
When will people pull their heads out of the sand and see there is a need for more flights from Basel and Geneva, which would reduce the strain on Zurich?
Isn't that already happening? I don't know about Geneva but much of the growth in Basel is budget traffic displaced from Zurich. And experience shows that in terms of resource-driven innovation, the budget airlines often lead and what they do today the others will be doing in 10 years or so.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank amogles for this useful post:
  #98  
Old 29.11.2011, 11:58
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 12,361
Groaned at 338 Times in 274 Posts
Thanked 26,263 Times in 11,000 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Quote:
View Post
Good luck with the 70'000 extra aircraft movements annually, that's about 191 extra per day.

Time to move away from the noise, Geneva airport is fairly quiet as the population there have to travel to Zurich for many destinations.
I would have thought that Lyon or even Paris would be closer these days thanks to the TGV.
Reply With Quote
  #99  
Old 29.11.2011, 14:13
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 11,803
Groaned at 610 Times in 516 Posts
Thanked 21,735 Times in 11,415 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Quote:
View Post
Good job with the airport initiative being rejected. I have to say that the 58% no vote was lower than I expected, I was figuring on a 65-70% figure.
I was not surprised. When you figure that the people involved; I mean the activists, members of organisations against, etc. will all 100% vote.
On the other side probably only 40% of those who support airport extension will actually bother to vote?

Actually it was a very poor strategy by the "against" to force a vote without being absolutely certain of a win. Without a vote they could have continued objecting, delaying, complaining, etc. with some success & occupying the moral high ground against noise, pollution, etc..

Now after this vote they are clearly a minority who can be safely/mostly ignored.

Last edited by marton; 29.11.2011 at 15:30.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank marton for this useful post:
  #100  
Old 29.11.2011, 14:25
ARC_VD's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Geneva
Posts: 218
Groaned at 63 Times in 21 Posts
Thanked 161 Times in 73 Posts
ARC_VD has earned the respect of manyARC_VD has earned the respect of manyARC_VD has earned the respect of many
Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Quote:
View Post
But with a single runway isn't GVA pretty well maxed out?
They are rebuilding terminals, building new ones and maximizing the use of the runway by building more paths in and out of it, the airport could very well handle 16-17 million passangers from its current 11-12 million. The Swiss are very good when it comes to using infrastructure to its limit without having to spend cash on building superfluous stuff.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
economy, referendum, tourism, vote, zurich airport




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Is it "Natural" for Men to "Rape and Beat" Women? The_Love_Doctor International affairs/politics 51 09.08.2010 03:53
How do you say "Ausbildungsmöglichkeiten" and "Chemiefacharbeiterin" in swiss german bayboro91 Language corner 2 07.05.2010 17:31


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 17:03.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0