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Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

The Canton of Zürich's voters get to have their say about the initiative raised by a group of towns opposing Zürich Airport's growth in a November 27, 2011 referendum:
http://zrhnews.flughafen-zuerich.ch/?newsletter=&p=147⟨=en
This narrow minded and restrictive idealistic initiative wants to legally prevent further development of Zürich Airport (ZRH) such as building high speed taxiways or future runway development plans.

Everyone who has either used ZRH for business or vacation travel would do well to remember the excellent facilities that ZRH has to offer. No other airport in Europe is consistently voted as popular as ZRH. Proactively preventing ZRH's future structured development is not only bad for the Canton of Zürich, but threatens all of Switzerland with regards to remaining a hub for communications and a leading business player in Europe and beyond. ZRH plays the rôle of Switzerland's ambassador abroad and is our calling card to demonstrate our effectiveness in attracting both tourist and business visitors alike.

Choking development is paramount to surrendering the lead that ZRH has over other airports in the region and will forfeit the gains that Switzerland's economy presently enjoys.

Even on a green note, ZRH maintains and nurtures a wide range of programs to ensure that wildlife and the landscape are well looked after. Ironically, ZRH is one of the largest nature reserves in the Canton.

It's a free world out there, but if you want to see Switzerland continue to prosper, two "no" votes November 27 will help ZRH to remain a key player in the international airport league.
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Gosh, I'm glad I live in Canton Schwyz.
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

ZRH is my second home and our gateway to the World.

A few vignettes:

My kids cheer when they land back in ZRH.
My baggage often arrives on the carousel before I do (like returning last Sunday night from Manchester)
The airline industry is responsible for ca.2% of the CO2 production in Europe.
When it's raining I take the kids out to the Airport and they never get bored (yes, I bribe them with a Macdo treat, but don't we all sometimes?)

So, support ZRH and if you have a vote, please use it wisely.
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Zurich would get on a lot better with it's neighbours if it dropped this arrogant attitude. It is a fine airport, but the planes overflying Germany on the approach are annoying many people. At one time Heathrow was the best in the world, then it grew too big for it's boots and is now avoided at all costs, I can see the same thing happening to Kloten.

I prefer to use Basel or Geneva before Zurich any day. There are perfectly good airports at Basel and Geneva, which are praised by people not living within 20 Km from Kloten, which I am sure you know translates as "bollocks" in the Dutch language.

The problem is/was that for many decades, the Zurich-Canton government people only looked up to the border but not beyond. They never considered that Zurich-Airport may be a Swiss airport but that it is THE airport for a lot of German territories, and also of course IS a source of anger for many people in the approach zone. People in the German areas just north of the border should have given a say already in the 1950ies.

But do not overdo the point of the suffering Germans. If things go too far, the Canton of Schaffhausen will, via Bern, block the Trasadingen Corridor, and that would reduce the landing capacity of Stuttgart Echterdingen by some 30% as the corridor would have to be moved 30 kms north. And Geneva ? GVA only has one runway, is heavily filled and does not have too many reserves. BSL-MLH at first sight looks like having lots of reserves but look at its systems ATC-wise and you realize that it is not as you might mean.
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If things go too far, the Canton of Schaffhausen will, via Bern, block the Trasadingen Corridor, and that would reduce the landing capacity of Stuttgart Echterdingen by some 30% as the corridor would have to be moved 30 kms north.
Sorry Wolli, but that bald assertion won't do - you're going to have to explain to me (being a bear of little brain) how rerouting said airway will reduce the airport's landing capacity.
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Not sure about the validity of linking the airport to Zurich prosperity. In the earls 2000's I had a contract in ZRH and had to fly in to Zurich airport. It was at that time a bit shit - if I remember rightly T1 only had a Starbucks and nothing else. But I had no choice. I couldn't exactly choose the airport down the road.

The airport has expanded beyond all recognition and is now a very pleasant place to arrive or to leave.

Havering over which way I'd vote but as I don't have the right I guess it doesn't matter .
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

The joke is, people want the choice of being able to fly somewhere conveniently on vacation/business but don't want the associated noise. That equation doesn't compute...

Also many people fail to recognise that aircraft have become quieter than they were and also that many people have moved into areas surrounding the airport since jet propulsion became the norm...well aware of the noise issue.

And finally, what do I prefer, an A330 flying overhead (here and gone in about 20 seconds) or the noise of the neighbour's lawnmower or his kid's souped up "töffli" that sounds like a strangled mosquito going up and down the road seeing if he can beat the local land-speed record ? Give me the A330 any day....

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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

There was a demonstration in Berlin on the weekend to stop the government from changing the flight time restrictions and expanding flights. Different location same problem.

It is not about air pollution, it is about noise pollution.

We want our cake and we want to eat it too.
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Old 21.09.2011, 07:59
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

The things that make ZRH such a joy to use are the things that say to me that it's vastly underutilised for the size of airport that it is. I don't think I've ever had to queue for anything there - it's just straight through all the time. It's certainly not the seething mass of people that Heathrow, Stansted or Schipol is.

In that respect I left thinking that this initiative to prevent further development is about 10 years premature, if at all needed.
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The things that make ZRH such a joy to use are the things that say to me that it's vastly underutilised for the size of airport that it is. I don't think I've ever had to queue for anything there - it's just straight through all the time. It's certainly not the seething mass of people that Heathrow, Stansted or Schipol is.
And this is exactly what makes it a better airport than the other ones you mentioned.
Ever visited Singapore Changi or Bangkok Suvarnabhumi? They are huge, effective, and at the same time calm and relaxed, without any major queues except perhaps for the Visa checks on arrival.
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ZRH plays the rôle of Switzerland's ambassador abroad and is our calling card
Then they really should drop the mooing cows & alphorn on the transit

(then again, it's quite amusing to watch the utter bafflement on the faces of jet-lagged ZRH virgins, as well as the facepalms's from embarrassed Swiss )
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Then they really should drop the mooing cows & alphorn on the transit

(then again, it's quite amusing to watch the utter bafflement on the faces of jet-lagged ZRH virgins, as well as the facepalms's from embarrassed Swiss )
I adore the mooing cows and alphorn on the transit. It's art, it's a welcome gift, it's corny to the point of being embarrassing, it's great entertainment on a boring ride and it's what Switzerland is all about in the mind of tourists and many locals alike.

It's like the "peace be with you" part in a Catholic mass, when the congregation shakes hands or give hugs to those around them.

For a moment in time, it makes people smile and brings people together.
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The things that make ZRH such a joy to use are the things that say to me that it's vastly underutilised for the size of airport that it is. I don't think I've ever had to queue for anything there - it's just straight through all the time. It's certainly not the seething mass of people that Heathrow, Stansted or Schipol is.

In that respect I left thinking that this initiative to prevent further development is about 10 years premature, if at all needed.
Lack of forward planning is what screwed up the U.K's transport infrastructure.
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It's a free world out there, but if you want to see Switzerland continue to prosper, two "no" votes November 27 will help ZRH to remain a key player in the international airport league.
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The Canton of Zürich's voters get to have their say about the initiative raised by a group of towns opposing Zürich Airport's growth in a November 27, 2011 referendum:
http://zrhnews.flughafen-zuerich.ch/?newsletter=&p=147⟨=en
This narrow minded and restrictive idealistic initiative wants to legally prevent further development of Zürich Airport (ZRH) such as building high speed taxiways or future runway development plans.

Everyone who has either used ZRH for business or vacation travel would do well to remember the excellent facilities that ZRH has to offer. No other airport in Europe is consistently voted as popular as ZRH. Proactively preventing ZRH's future structured development is not only bad for the Canton of Zürich, but threatens all of Switzerland with regards to remaining a hub for communications and a leading business player in Europe and beyond. ZRH plays the rôle of Switzerland's ambassador abroad and is our calling card to demonstrate our effectiveness in attracting both tourist and business visitors alike.

Choking development is paramount to surrendering the lead that ZRH has over other airports in the region and will forfeit the gains that Switzerland's economy presently enjoys.

Even on a green note, ZRH maintains and nurtures a wide range of programs to ensure that wildlife and the landscape are well looked after. Ironically, ZRH is one of the largest nature reserves in the Canton.

It's a free world out there, but if you want to see Switzerland continue to prosper, two "no" votes November 27 will help ZRH to remain a key player in the international airport league.
All that is true.

However, Zürich airport does not just serve the interests of Zürich and the surrounding area but is positioned by Swiss/Lufthansa as a hub for Africa flights. It sounds like completele bollocks (=Kloten) to me why somebody flying from one African airport to another should need to hub via Zürich, or how the broder Zürich economy is benefitting from that.
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

Typing this from Zurich airport, first time here and it is a wonderful, efficient airport!
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Then they really should drop the mooing cows & alphorn on the transit
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Re: Zürich Airport - Say "No" for a "Yes" November 27, 2011

The irony is that more Germans suffer from the "noise pollution" now than did when the planes went over Waldshut...

To be fair, I do think that keeping the night without noise is humane and necessary - bad sleep equals unhealthy, unhappy citizens. Even with its Minergie construction, my home doesn't blot out all noise, which is ok, I knew there was noise before moving here. But not all homes in this area are Minergie and you really have to stop conversations and hold on to crockery in some houses when a plane passes. This is not tooo bad in daytime but at night, I think it's not right.

So I guess a lot of people will vote no because they are afraid of losing the quiet at night. I haven't looked at the initiative yet but I hope we also know exactly what we are getting into if we refuse it.
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Lack of forward planning is what screwed up the U.K's transport infrastructure.
Spot on.
10+ years of living here has taught me that.

There are other factors as well, but the core lack of planning is crucial IMO.
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My journey to Basel necessitates a train and a bus, Zurich is nearer to me than Geneva by 30 minutes, but I prefer to use Basel or Geneva before Zurich any day.
Geneva is a great airport. Except of course if you have to actually travel to some place other than Europe (you know, one of the other four continents out there) on something else than a business jet.
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