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Re: Hungarian sex workers flooding to Zurich

So the big question is who uses all these prostitutes, are they here for other foreigners or is there a big home market?
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My friend wants to know how can he get in touch with the one in the denim shorts?
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Re: Hungarian sex workers flooding to Zurich

How are they flooding *TO* somewhere? At least proof read the headlines, even if only for grammatical errors and not factual accuracy.
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So the big question is who uses all these prostitutes, are they here for other foreigners or is there a big home market?

my ex boss was in this business (brothel and strip clubs) and it was mostly Swiss people (old drunks that had lost everything in the course of their lives....then again this is in bulle so not to many internationals here
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Re: Hungarian sex workers flooding to Zurich

On a serious note I find it all sad. I really don't know how anyone could call them names or treat them bad.
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Old 20.09.2011, 20:07
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EXPLICIT CONTENT
If you cant handle it dont watch it (no nudity)

This video shows the other side of the coin and that indeed they are not all victims






I don't question that they aren't all victims. But street prostitution can be quite risky. I'm just annoyed about the double standards when it comes to prostitution.
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Beautiful women do not solicit tricks on the street (as if they're really beautiful, they'd be making more money for a call service). Not to mention a lot of these women are substance abusers. It's an ugly truth, yes.
beautiful women solicit themselves in clubs, at social functions etc. not PC, but the truth is that throughout most of history women have essentially just been selling themselves to as rich/powerful/handsome a man as they can get. it is really only a very recent phenomenon that women have the option of being independent - and even now, it is arguably not so easy from a social point of view.
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So the big question is who uses all these prostitutes, are they here for other foreigners or is there a big home market?

I think we all know the answer to that one !
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Watched a documentary today on UK TV about the 25.000 young women on wedding sites in Russia and Ukraine - girating in bikinis in front of groups of older men that go and oogle them and more, and sometimes marry them and bring them back. Made me feel so uncomfortable and hopeless about the future.

You can talk all you want about the 'oldest and honorable profession' - but I do NOT know of a single man who would wish this for his daughter, his sister, his niece, or any woman they respect. Many men will pimp the women in their lives, and others, but never for love nor respect. Or do they?

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Watched a documentary today on UK TV about the 25.000 young women on wedding sites in Russia and Ukraine, and the older men that go and oogle them and more, and sometimes marry them and bring them back. Made me feel so uncomfortable and hopeless about the future.

You can talk all you want about the 'oldest and honorable profession' - but I do NOT know of a single man who would wish this for his daughter, his sister, his niece, or any woman they respect. Many men will pimp the women in their lives, and others, but never for love nor respect. Or do they?
We're conditioned to have a morality blind spot to it. Many things like prostitution and porn are guilty pleasures. People don't particularly like guilt mixed with their pleasure, so we rationalize away our guilt by ignoring some of the ugly truths of the industry.

The fact of the matter is, it's an industry that is largely built on the backs of desperate, troubled, or mentally unstable women. This is where the rationalizers jump in and say "Prove they are troubled or exploited!", and replace what they know (and what their common sense tells them) with what they want to believe.

I am not trying to guilt-trip anyone, we're all slaves to our basic instincts. I would just prefer that we stick to the line of "I don't care" and be honest with ourselves instead of trying to rationalize it.
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We're conditioned to have a morality blind spot to it. Many things like prostitution and porn are guilty pleasures. People don't particularly like guilt mixed with their pleasure, so we rationalize away our guilt by ignoring some of the ugly truths of the industry.

The fact of the matter is, it's an industry that is largely built on the backs of desperate, troubled, or mentally unstable women. This is where the rationalizers jump in and say "Prove they are troubled or exploited!", and replace what they know (and what their common sense tells them) with what they want to believe.

I am not trying to guilt-trip anyone, we're all slaves to our basic instincts. I would just prefer that we stick to the line of "I don't care" and be honest with ourselves instead of trying to rationalize it.
I would like to give you a big thank you for it, but I can't agree with the last two sentences because I do care. And I don't see sense in just ignoring it, when most of us get upset about minor problems.
There isn't a big lobby for these girls I think. And I believe that partly the reason is, because it's kind of unpopular. And many people like to be popular.
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I would just prefer that we stick to the line of "I don't care" and be honest with ourselves instead of trying to rationalize it.
Yep! I actually care but not enough to do anything about it.
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Old 20.09.2011, 21:14
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I am not trying to guilt-trip anyone, we're all slaves to our basic instincts. I would just prefer that we stick to the line of "I don't care" and be honest with ourselves instead of trying to rationalize it.
Nice to see a single honest assessment of what guys say when they try to make prostitution into something a bit less tawdry than what it is.

I once asked a guy in Finland who was a militant customer of prostitutes and who used the usual disclaimers as if the profession was so noble and so safe that would he be expecting his two daughters to get an advanced degree in the trade. He fumbled in all the ways you'd expect but I think that's the hardest part for me to understand when it comes to guys poking these women, saying it's a great profession and, yet, don't see how the attitude towards these women is any different than women in general aside from the transaction being a lot more streamlined.

But it is a curious tidbit that the Hungarian women register where many/most of the others don't. I'd be interested to know why.
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Christ, now I'm wondering to myself...how does one say, "Oh baby, me so horny!", etc. in the local dialect. I need to go find a bottle of wine pronto and get rid of that thought...
Don't worry about that. All men of all tongues know the English sex vocabulary. After all, more than 90% of all Internet porn is made in the USA (no, NOT China for once!).
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Yep! I actually care but not enough to do anything about it.
But at least it's something.
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People don't particularly like guilt mixed with their pleasure, so we rationalize away our guilt by ignoring some of the ugly truths of the industry.
I know, I have that with sneakers. I have a much higher morality since I don't do sports anymore. I am now looking the ugly truths of the sneaker industry in the eyes. I feel very moral.
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Old 20.09.2011, 21:36
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I use to live right near Sihlquai, where they would all stand along the street... and I was just amazed at how these women could act so proud of what they were doing. Maybe it's some kind of self-defense mechanism, I don't know. But then again, I guess -- who wants to buy a shameful prostitute?

Anyways, I always wished I had the time and ability to do a little documentary about them with interviews, etc. I would especially like to know how willing most of these women really are to be doing... what they do.

It's so sad...
What's worse, selling your body, or your mind?

A body is just a body (and a bath will clean it just fine), a mind is who you are.

Think about it.

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I guess that my biggest problem with prostitution is that I see so many women (even still today) base their identities primarily upon their sexuality (regardless of whether or not they are prostitutes). And so I feel like prostitution only perpetuates this warped sense of female identity. Of course, I have absolutely no problem with women "embracing their sensuality," but when they exploit their own sexuality in lieu of their intelligence or integrity, then as a woman, I am rather offended.

Sadly, though, many of these women probably come from societies in which the men already treated them that way (according to their sexuality). And so they are just vicitms of their own culture (as perhaps we all are).
If I didn't appreciate the sexuality of women, it would make far more sense to become gay rather than put up with male wannabees!

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Re: Hungarian sex workers flooding to Zurich

I think it is a big reflection on how uptight we all are about sex. We pimp our bodies out in many other ways - professional athletes, body guards, gold diggers, strippers, architects, scientists - but it's the sex that we object to. If we found ourselves in the unfortunate (and highly improbable) situation of having to decide whether our child should be a prostitute or an assassin I'm sure at least some would consider killing strangers to be the lesser evil.

What women who choose - completely different from those forced into - prostitution need is support and resources to make a choice to stop if they want to. I think legalised prostitution allows women to access those resources without the stigma and judgement they face from most of society. Maybe that's what registration helps with? Belle de Jour, the blogger who wrote "Diary of a London Call Girl" worked as a prostitute while finishing her PhD. She had the options to allow her to decide to stop when she wanted to, but then again, she wasn't your typical street prostitute.

And the same applies to men in prostitution too, although their numbers are much smaller.
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What's worse, selling your body, or your mind?

A body is just a body (and a bath will clean it just fine), a mind is who you are.

Think about it.

Tom
yeah but we live in our body...

that's the reason why many people think, we can't 'make up our mind' anymore once we are dead. Body and mind are connected.

Think about it! With what do we think? The brain - part of our body.


On another note:
I guess there is also a difference between prostitution and street prostitution. In latter case, there is a higher probability of assaults.
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