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Old 20.09.2011, 22:35
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And this makes you different from a prostitute in which way?

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exactly my point.
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Re: Hungarian sex workers flooding to Zurich

The original article talks about trafficking - and that's what my concern is here. I could care less if a woman is making 500+ a night FREELY - kudos to her - but if she's trafficked (& btw most of that profit going to most likely a man in her life) then that's bad for society PERIOD.

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In most cases, the women were pushed onto the street by brothers, uncles, cousins or even husbands:

“The women are sent to Switzerland by their families to earn hard cash to feed an extended family of up to 13 people, and often they have their own children," he said.
Finger added that the complexity of Roma family relationships meant that any steps they took to get out of prostitution could have far-reaching consequences for the women.

“I met women in Hungary who said to me they will never return to Switzerland as the men there are so brutal."
A friend of mine in Germany worked freely as a prostitute in New Zealand but when she got to Germany trying to start her own legal business, she was threatened for going solo and ultimately ended up being pimped, beaten, slashed, and gang raped by her pimp, his friends, and her "respectable" clients. She said Germany was a nightmare for her and countless other women and I suspect similar situations here in clean, lovely Switzerland.

I'd just like to see more focus on getting the pimps out and supporting the women to run their own businesses.
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anyone who sponsors it by visiting prostitutes deserves having his knackers put in a vice.
You normally have to pay extra for that.
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I'm not getting into a sophistic argument about the exploitative nature of prostitution.

It's a shit industry, and anyone who sponsors it by visiting prostitutes deserves having his knackers put in a vice.

How's that for a definition, Socrates?
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I'd just like to see more focus on getting the pimps out and supporting the women to run their own businesses.
Which is how it works under Swiss law (pimps are not allowed), at least in theory (i.e. the laws get enforced).

Enforcing the already existing laws is what needs to be done, the laws are already there.

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A friend of mine in Germany worked freely as a prostitute in New Zealand but when she got to Germany trying to start her own legal business, she was threatened for going solo
No surprise there.
The business is largely controlled by organized crime (from the Balkan or elsewhere, not necessarily Italy).
Do you think "Fat Tony" would sit by and watch if somebody would set up a competing business in his neighborhood and slowly lure away his clients?

If you want romance, go and buy a romantic novel...
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Re: Hungarian sex workers flooding to Zurich

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I'm not getting into a sophistic argument about the exploitative nature of prostitution.

It's a shit industry, and anyone who sponsors it by visiting prostitutes deserves having his knackers put in a vice.

How's that for a definition, Socrates?
Everyone is entitle to their opinion.

Some food for thought, though:

Are all prostitutes in Switzerland force into this profession?

Isn't it possible that a nice, considerate, respectful, and hygienic oriented person will prefer to pay for sex.... and good money?

If you choose to be a prostitute as Maria Magdalena (perhaps for a while, while paying for college), but then clean up your act and stop, wouldn't you as well still go to heaven?

and what about Judah the fourth son of Jacob, who has sex with his son's widow Tamar who pretended to be a prostitute.... It was a big drama... he wanting to kill Tamar, but admitting being the father of Tamar's twins.... He repented, of course... saving his knackers from the vice, and perhaps now in heaven too.....
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Re: Hungarian sex workers flooding to Zurich

I'm normally pretty liberal when it comes to what women do with their own bodies, but...

After seeing films like "Born into Brothels" (about the forced sex trade in India), it's hard for me to accept prostitution on any level. Because I'm not sure which situation I find more disturbing -- the woman or child who is forced into prostitution by men and/or poverty... or the woman who does it so she can afford a Gucci handbag and who tries to glorify it and convince herself that it's a compliment to be paid for her sexuality.
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Everyone is entitle to their opinion.

Some food for thought, though:

Are all prostitutes in Switzerland force into this profession?

Isn't it possible that a nice, considerate, respectful, and hygienic oriented person will prefer to pay for sex.... and good money?

If you choose to be a prostitute as Maria Magdalena (perhaps for a while, while paying for college), but then clean up your act and stop, wouldn't you as well still go to heaven?

and what about Judah the fourth son of Jacob, who has sex with his son's widow Tamar who pretended to be a prostitute.... It was a big drama... he wanting to kill Tamar, but admitting being the father.... He repented, of course... saving his knackers from the vice, and perhaps now in heaven too.....
Whuh whuh?
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Which is how it works under Swiss law (pimps are not allowed), at least in theory (i.e. the laws get enforced).

Enforcing the already existing laws is what needs to be done, the laws are already there.

Tom
In case of these Roma women, it's difficult because above all, the pimps are usually relatives.
And it's not that they can go to even-school and start a career in banking.
I suspect they usually have no education at all - neither have their male relatives. So, it's one of the few jobs they can do and earn money for the family.
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Isn't it possible that a nice, considerate, respectful, and hygienic oriented person will prefer to pay for sex.... and good money?
No, it isn't, because if he is paying for sex, he isn't nice, considerate, respectful and hygienic oriented. He's just a .

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If you choose to be a prostitute as Maria Magdalena (perhaps for a while, while paying for college), but then clean up your act and stop, wouldn't you as well still go to heaven?

and what about Judah the fourth son of Jacob, who has sex with his son's widow Tamar who pretended to be a prostitute.... It was a big drama... he wanting to kill Tamar, but admitting being the father.... He repented, of course... saving his knackers from the vice, and perhaps now in heaven too.....
I haven't a clue what any of this has to do with the price of fish. Perhaps you should go and find a priest to ask all about it.
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Have you ever known a dad who dreams of her daughter becoming a prostitute, and who will say 'no worries, just have a bath and wash it away?'
I haven't.
Unfortunately Odile, this brings us back to the original post, where the article said that many of these women were introduced into prositution by family members.

The women may not see it as being "trafficed" to Switzerland because of their perception of what is normal, but that doesn't mean it is not happening. I have no doubt that many of them come from families where, sadly, females have been abused one way or another for many generations.
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Re: Hungarian sex workers flooding to Zurich

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

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Figures from the Swiss Federal Migration Office show that 383 British citizens working in banking and financial services moved to Switzerland in 2010, an increase of 28 per cent on the previous year.

Under the broader rubric of banking, insurance and consulting, which includes IT, 1379 Britons were given permission to work long-term in Switzerland in 2010. This is an increase of 29 per cent over the 2009 figure.
http://www.channel4.com/news/british...to-switzerland
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Re: Hungarian sex workers flooding to Zurich

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No, it isn't, because if he is paying for sex, he isn't nice, considerate, respectful and hygienic oriented. He's just a .

I haven't a clue what any of this has to do with the price of fish. Perhaps you should go and find a priest to ask all about it.
Nice in the sense that he is not going to beat up this person or abuse them. just performed a business transaction and pay for a service.

And regarding the priest.... don't you know your basic bible trivia? classical examples of prostitution offered and used....

Judah after the act, left his staff and went to get the sheep he agreed to pay. as any nice customer would.

He got all self-righteously when he found out Tamara was pregnant, but then was confronted with the truth.... he fathered the direct line to Jesus, how holy can that be.... and from an act of prostitution...... (hey, he was also the father in law.... er.... would this also constitute incest?)

Ok, is late.
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Whuh whuh?
again basic bible trivia.....
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Nice in the sense that he is not going to beat up this person or abuse them. just performed a business transaction and pay for a service.

And regarding the priest.... don't you know your basic bible trivia? classical examples of prostitution offered and used....

Judah after the act, left his staff and went to get the sheep he agreed to pay. as any nice customer would.

He got all self-righteously when he found out Tamara was pregnant, but then was confronted with the truth.... he fathered the direct line to Jesus, how holy can that be.... and from an act of prostitution...... (hey, he was also the father in law.... er.... would this also constitute incest?)

Ok, is late.

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Nice in the sense that he is not going to beat up this person or abuse them. just performed a business transaction and pay for a service.

And regarding the priest.... don't you know your basic bible trivia? classical examples of prostitution offered and used....

Judah after the act, left his staff and went to get the sheep he agreed to pay. as any nice customer would.

He got all self-righteously when he found out Tamara was pregnant, but then was confronted with the truth.... he fathered the direct line to Jesus, how holy can that be.... and from an act of prostitution...... (hey, he was also the father in law.... er.... would this also constitute incest?)

Ok, is late.
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Judah after the act, left his staff and went to get the sheep he agreed to pay. as any nice customer would.
Ha! Sucker!!!

Any time I've had sex with a sheep, it was for free!
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Jajajajajaja (or Hahahahaha) , You guys are cracking me up.

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Mind, body, soul and heart - for most of us all go together.

Daddy, I've got excellent news. I've given up Uni and am going to be a prostitute.

Arrghh I am so happy and proud daughter- this is what I've always dreamed for you.

Have you ever known a dad who dreams of her daughter becoming a prostitute, and who will say 'no worries, just have a bath and wash it away?'
I haven't.
And what if they don't speak German? don't have parents but little brothers to feed back home? Of course it may exist some kind of trafficking for some of them, but i don't think it's nice to judge someone ignoring the problems he/she may have.

Anyway i have more respect for escorts(i don't consider mafia prostitutes,wannabe gold diggers) than for Gold diggers.. You know why?
Because they know the true value of independence and they prefer(or atleast they try) to "sell" their body without faking some kind of love(Gold digger,high maintenance GF/spouse) to live a rich life doing nothing!!

p.s: if they work ONLY to afford iphone, fancy shoes or clothes, then it's another story.

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