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As far as the women go I find it easier understanding and empathising with their life decisions and motivations for following this trade than I do trying to understand the thinking (lack of?) of many of their clients.
Precisely.

There are plenty of people who make a rational decision to sell their kidneys to organ traders, but that doesn't make the industry less exploitative. Some industries are just plain nasty, even if some of the participants are taking part "willingly" (whatever that means).

Rather than wittering on about all these happy prostitutes who are busy exploiting their rich clients to pay for their college education (or whatever), perhaps we ought to focus on the filthy, selfish bastards who are ****ing them for money?

What about them? Are they absolved of all wrongdoing because the prostitutes are making a killing at their expense?

Come on, Pullrod, you're a man of the world: justify that!
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Old 21.09.2011, 11:24
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A 20 year old woman who has sex with people for money is more vulnerable than most children, especially those from supportive families. Your narrow, naive logic is making you blind.
Now it works also for men you know.. wealthy women who pay handsome men for their company(like Lady BMW did).
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Old 21.09.2011, 11:28
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Now it works also for men you know.. wealthy women who pay handsome men for their company(like Lady BMW did).
Of course it does. However this almost never happens. It's exclusively girls who I see standing on street corners. And you know this. So why obfuscate? Why defend this? Do you have skin in the game?
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Precisely.

There are plenty of people who make a rational decision to sell their kidneys to organ traders, but that doesn't make the industry less exploitative. Some industries are just plain nasty, even if some of the participants are taking part "willingly" (whatever that means).

Rather than wittering on about all these happy prostitutes who are busy exploiting their rich clients to pay for their college education (or whatever), perhaps we ought to focus on the filthy, selfish bastards who are ****ing them for money?

What about them? Are they absolved of all wrongdoing because the prostitutes are making a killing at their expense?

Come on, Pullrod, you're a man of the world: justify that!
Don't take it personal. I just think you could may be make some new friends to have another perspective.
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About the selfish bastards, most of them last not more than 3 minutes.
Of course they will find the rude guy, just like you will at your job place.
Anyway, women know how to fake and men are stupid enough to be fooled.
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Of course it does. However this almost never happens. It's exclusively girls who I see standing on street corners.
What about ladyboys?

People who exploit women as clients or pimps are both scum in my opinion.
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Of course it does. However this almost never happens. It's exclusively girls who I see standing on street corners. And you know this. So why obfuscate? Why defend this? Do you have skin in the game?
Lol. i have did, i will not be here.
It's true that most of them are on street corners, but there is also a large part who work at home.

I'm not jusifying them, i only think if they is no violence and they choose to do that, i see nothing wrong.
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Old 21.09.2011, 11:31
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Sorry mate, my toilet is dirty. I was going to have unprotected sex in a dirty room far from my village with a sweaty businessman for 50 francs but I opted to clean the toilet instead. Which is roughly equivalent.
That's nice for you, are you going throw the ones who opted for the other choice in jail? Deprive them of legal protection so they can't turn to the police if the client refuses to use a condom? or gets abusive?
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Old 21.09.2011, 11:33
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What about ladyboys?

People who exploit women as clients or pimps are both scum in my opinion.
I don't like the word "exploit" associated with client. Because he is a client because he pays. Prostitution exists because clients exist. If you/we want to stop it, you have to take care of the "clients".

p.s: I'm talking about Switzerland and not Thailand or Russia.
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Don't take it personal. I just think you could may be make some new friends to have another perspective.
Funny how much you seem to know about me... do I know you?

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About the selfish bastards, most of them last not more than 3 minutes.
Of course they will find the rude guy, just like you will at your job place.
Anyway, women know how to fake and men are stupid enough to be fooled.
Are you missing the point on purpose? It certainly seems that way.

I'm done discussing this with you. Your childish innocence might be endearing to some, but I can't be bothered with it any more.
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Old 21.09.2011, 11:49
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Funny how much you seem to know about me... do I know you?



Are you missing the point on purpose? It certainly seems that way.

I'm done discussing this with you. Your childish innocence might be endearing to some, but I can't be bothered with it any more.
That's very funny.. and i'm not surprised.. You don't know me, what i have acchieved, and what i have done. thousands posts or age don't always come with wisdom.
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Sorry to go OT, but Pulrod could you please join us on this thread What's the significance of your EF name?

Just curious like.

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That's very funny.. and i'm not surprised.. You don't know me, what i have acchieved, and what i have done. thousands posts or age don't always come with wisdom.
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Old 21.09.2011, 12:08
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No to all of the above. You're missing the point. We still treat these people like human beings. Prostitutes are treated like whores. It's not about wanting to know who somebody is. It's about accepting that they are somebody without knowing anything about them. And a cashier, bus driver and fund manager get this basic human respect in ways that prostitutes do not. Even the police are guilty of this conduct. A beaten prostitute will not garner the same attention and care as a beaten cashier, bus driver or fund manager.
Are you so sure? There has been so much public debate and emphasising of prostitution that I expect the police to take a beaten prostitute very seriously these days and do everything they can to help her. In fact I think there would be an outcry if a story emerged that they hadn't. There have recently been a number of quite high profile court cases against pimps. I see no evidence of abuse being systematically trivilaised.

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Treating someone as a human being is not about caring to know all about them. It's respecting that they're someone without needing to know a darn thing.
You can reduce somebody respectfully but you're still reducing them.

But maybe you should talk to a cashier and ask how often people don't act respectfully, how many people hurl abuse or try to take advantage. A friend of mine used to work as a store security guard and he says some people do the sickest things.

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Prostitutes are susceptible to abuse and violence because they aren't seen as more than a body.
No, they are susceptible to violence because they deal with people who are primitive and violent. That's not the same thing.

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They're whores, not people. And prostitution as a whole perpetuates stereotypes and treatment of women that shifts them into subservient positions in the home and the workplace (that's a whole extra can of worms though).
Then you should also ban MTV.
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Old 21.09.2011, 12:12
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Of course it does. However this almost never happens. It's exclusively girls who I see standing on street corners. And you know this. So why obfuscate? Why defend this? Do you have skin in the game?
uh? you don't get around much do you?

clue: not everyone who wears girl's clothes in cetain streets is a girl.
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Old 21.09.2011, 12:45
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I see no evidence of abuse being systematically trivilaised.
Three years with Victim Support and many more with other crisis agencies has burned heaps of evidence into my brain.

Did you ever hear of the Robert Pickton case in Canada? I strongly recommend you read about it and see how seriously the murder of prostitutes is taken. Were these women not prostitutes, an aggressive investigation would have occurred immediately and properly.

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But maybe you should talk to a cashier and ask how often people don't act respectfully, how many people hurl abuse or try to take advantage. A friend of mine used to work as a store security guard and he says some people do the sickest things.
You're on a tangent here. The comparisons people are making in attempts to rationalize prostitution are absolutely mind boggling. The level of abuse and violence that prostitutes face regularly (and the system of disadvantage that underpins their work in the first place) is not deserving of the recognition you're giving to a cashier who has a disrespectful customer.

If you feel that's the case, however, why don't you start a thread to draw attention to the very serious issue of cashier and security guard abuse?

We aren't simply talking about individual incidents here. We're talking about a widespread perception and system that defines prostitutes as whores rather than human beings. Such a system most certainly does not exist for cashiers and security guards. You're on a micro-level here, I think, and missing the big picture.

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No, they are susceptible to violence because they deal with people who are primitive and violent. That's not the same thing.
Are you for serious? Abusers don't abuse everyone around them. Indeed, they direct their abuse at those they hold contempt for and believe deserve no better. So many functioning abusers are seen as pillars of society in many public capacities but in private they are primitive and violent with those who are vulnerable to people just like them.
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When waiting for my friend to go clubbing, this Albanian girl approached me and wanted to offer her services. I was(still i am) broke and was engaged too so nothing.
Freud would have fun with the order of that sentence
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You don't know me, what i have acchieved, and what i have done.
Indeed. Nor you me, so let's leave the personal crap out of it from now on, eh?
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Old 21.09.2011, 13:28
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The very act of prostitution constitutes evidence of failed state protection of the vulnerable. Protection of prostitution is a nonsense. There should be absolutely zero tolerance of prostitution in the same way as there's zero tolerance of child labour.
Not in every instance is an act of prostitution evidence of failed state protection but probably in the general I agree with you.
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Old 21.09.2011, 13:41
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Made much worse here in Ch but prostitution is still legal for 16 year olds. (changes are on the way, thank goodness). Anybody got 16 year olds daughters who think that they wouldn't be 'damaged' by selling themselves at 16, for whatever reasons, pimped or not?
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Made much worse here in Ch but prostitution is still legal for 16 year olds. (changes are on the way, thank goodness). Anybody got 16 year olds daughters who think that they wouldn't be 'damaged' by selling themselves at 16, for whatever reasons, pimped or not?
I heard it was just Canton ZH - but I agree it's outrageous.
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Re: Hungarian sex workers flooding to Zurich

You guys know that if you keep arguing, fighting, debating, goading, challenging, engaging, discussing, pontificating, disagreeing, confirming, trolling, chatting, joking, posting, proving, disproving, reproving and eventually repeatedly bumping.....

...these threads started by pointless, rehashed, juvenile, "cut and paste" cod-journalism of the worst kind started by The Local......

....that they will keep doing it, don't you?
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