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Prostitutes from Hungary are increasingly being sent to work in the red light district on Sihlquai in the centre of Zurich, but they don't see themselves as victims of trafficking, according to a Swiss researcher.

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Old 20.09.2011, 18:49
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damn... that wasn't the picture I was hoping to see.
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I use to live right near Sihlquai, where they would all stand along the street... and I was just amazed at how these women could act so proud of what they were doing. Maybe it's some kind of self-defense mechanism, I don't know. But then again, I guess -- who wants to buy a shameful prostitute?

Anyways, I always wished I had the time and ability to do a little documentary about them with interviews, etc. I would especially like to know how willing most of these women really are to be doing... what they do.

It's so sad...
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I use to live right near Sihlquai, where they would all stand along the street... and I was just amazed at how these women could act so proud of what they were doing. Maybe it's some kind of self-defense mechanism, I don't know. But then again, I guess -- who wants to buy a shameful prostitute?

Anyways, I always wished I had the time and ability to do a little documentary about them with interviews, etc. I would especially like to know how willing most of these women really are to be doing... what they do.

It's so sad...
why shouldn't they be proud? it's a more honest profession than some.
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Old 20.09.2011, 19:04
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why shouldn't they be proud? it's a more honest profession than some.
like tax consulting… *shiver….
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like tax consulting… *shiver….
Hey, hey, easy there...
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Re: Hungarian sex workers flooding to Zurich

Well at least its a job that they do not have to speak Swiss German for !
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Old 20.09.2011, 19:50
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Well at least its a job that they do not have to speak Swiss German for !
Christ, now I'm wondering to myself...how does one say, "Oh baby, me so horny!", etc. in the local dialect. I need to go find a bottle of wine pronto and get rid of that thought...
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Old 20.09.2011, 19:21
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why shouldn't they be proud? it's a more honest profession than some.
What exactly are they proud of? The money or the work - or both?

I support women who go into the business freely without coercion & intimidation but I think the EU countries seriously need to crack down on trafficking.

Big Difference.
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Old 20.09.2011, 19:25
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why shouldn't they be proud? it's a more honest profession than some.

That's true... I guess they're "screwing" their customers at a much fairer rate than most corporations do!
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Re: Hungarian sex workers flooding to Zurich

Can we assume that this is because the resident prostitutes did not reduce the price as the CHF got stronger v Euro?
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why shouldn't they be proud? it's a more honest profession than some.
I partly agree (they shouldn't be not proud), but isn't it a bit hypocritical too?

I guess it's one thing to say:" Well it's a normal business etc." and another one to say (and think) I'm totally fine with that (e.g.) my little sister or best friend is a sex worker. In this case we would try to get them out of it. Why could that be? Maybe because we can imagine that street prostitution is nothing like heaven.

But if a care taker smokes a cigarette on a balkon, it causes a small riot. (nothing against it/ just considering the dimensions)

It's just that we are more careless with people we don't know. This is natural but in some cases it's a tiny bit sad too.
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I partly agree (they shouldn't be not proud), but isn't it a bit hypocritical too?

I guess it's one thing to say:" Well it's a normal business etc." and another one to say (and think) I'm totally fine with that (e.g.) my little sister or best friend is a sex worker. In this case we would try to get them out of it. Why could that be? Maybe because we can imagine that street prostitution is nothing like heaven.

But if a care taker smokes a cigarette on a balkon, it causes a small riot. (nothing against it/ just considering the dimensions)

It's just that we are more careless with people we don't know. This is natural but in some cases it's a tiny bit sad too.
true. i think few people would take it as a career option if they had the choice because of the social stigma, which is why i think it would be nice for the rest of us not to shit on them some more* by calling them shameful etc.

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Old 20.09.2011, 19:44
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Re: Hungarian sex workers flooding to Zurich

I guess that my biggest problem with prostitution is that I see so many women (even still today) base their identities primarily upon their sexuality (regardless of whether or not they are prostitutes). And so I feel like prostitution only perpetuates this warped sense of female identity. Of course, I have absolutely no problem with women "embracing their sensuality," but when they exploit their own sexuality in lieu of their intelligence or integrity, then as a woman, I am rather offended.

Sadly, though, many of these women probably come from societies in which the men already treated them that way (according to their sexuality). And so they are just vicitms of their own culture (as perhaps we all are).
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I use to live right near Sihlquai, where they would all stand along the street... and I was just amazed at how these women could act so proud of what they were doing. Maybe it's some kind of self-defense mechanism, I don't know. But then again, I guess -- who wants to buy a shameful prostitute?

Anyways, I always wished I had the time and ability to do a little documentary about them with interviews, etc. I would especially like to know how willing most of these women really are to be doing... what they do.

It's so sad...
What's worse, selling your body, or your mind?

A body is just a body (and a bath will clean it just fine), a mind is who you are.

Think about it.

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What's worse, selling your body, or your mind?

A body is just a body (and a bath will clean it just fine), a mind is who you are.

Think about it.

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yeah but we live in our body...

that's the reason why many people think, we can't 'make up our mind' anymore once we are dead. Body and mind are connected.

Think about it! With what do we think? The brain - part of our body.


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I guess there is also a difference between prostitution and street prostitution. In latter case, there is a higher probability of assaults.
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What's worse, selling your body, or your mind?

A body is just a body (and a bath will clean it just fine), a mind is who you are.

Think about it.

Tom
Do you think selling your body doesn't affect your mind?

Think about that.
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Do you think selling your body doesn't affect your mind?
Perhaps, but far less than selling ones inner self (i.e. mind).

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Do you think selling your body doesn't affect your mind?

Think about that.
Does sellIng your mind affect your body then ?
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What's worse, selling your body, or your mind?

A body is just a body (and a bath will clean it just fine), a mind is who you are.

Think about it.

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I don't think it works that way. If you are forced you sell your body, you are also forcing your mind to accept that this is what you deserve or what you really are. Emotional and physical abuse go hand in hand in cases of coerced prostitution.

Unsurprisingly, those women or girls who are abducted or tricked into the prostitution business are, first of all, repeatedly raped and persuaded they are nothing but scum by whoever "owns" them. This breaks their will to fight or try to escape. Often their passport or other personal ID document is withheld, and other form of threats (real or simply "psychological") are used to keep them in line.

Of course not all prostitutes are forced into the business. I knew a girl for instance who had been a hooker to pay college. In her case, yes, she really did sell only her body not her mind. To her, it was really nothing but business and having met her later, when she had already given that up, I never thought there was something shameful about her past. She has never given up her dignity. To be honest, I felt nothing but respect for her intelligence, iron will and personality. She was one of the most interesting and intellectually stimulating people I've ever met.
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