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Old 22.09.2011, 16:25
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

Obviously not to be taken seriously.

But those saying that the cross isn't a religious symbol might want to look at the red cross / red crescent.
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Old 22.09.2011, 16:36
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Obviously not to be taken seriously.

But those saying that the cross isn't a religious symbol might want to look at the red cross / red crescent.
Wasn't the Red Cross adamant on it not being a religious symbol and still forced to create an alternative for the Muslim world? In recent times they've been more prone to acting irrationally and sometimes violently about stuff like that.

Jewish people tried to have a Red Star of David and that didn't work out so well, according to Wikipedia:

"The Red Cross and Red Crescent movement repeatedly rejected Israel's request over the years, stating that the Red Cross emblem was not meant to represent Christianity but was a color reversal of the Swiss flag, and also that if Jews (or another group) were to be given another emblem, there would be no end to the number of religious or other groups claiming an emblem for themselves, although the movement recognised the Muslim Red Crescent. They reasoned that a proliferation of red symbols would detract from the original intention of the Red Cross emblem, which was to be a single emblem to mark vehicles and buildings protected on humanitarian grounds."

Re: bold. Umm... ok. They could have just said, "Listen, we did it once and you know better than anyone why, so let this one slide and try to care more about the work we do and not what's on our flag."

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Old 22.09.2011, 16:37
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

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..hahahaaaaaa... cough... splutter ... I`ve been waiting for this!
My reaction too...

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Anyway, it`s not a "cross" ... it is 5 perfect squares of red on a white background. Actually it`s 9 perfect squares, but you don`t count the white squares in the corners of the red ones.....
Ummm. You thinking of this one maybe?




Remind me, how long have you been here?
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Old 22.09.2011, 17:30
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Interesting ....if pathetic. Sometimes I`m glad I`m old and about to depart this stupid planet. Definitely gonna try another one next time!
Not just yet, ok?
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

I heard this story too! I read it on a pamphlet, there is a group called the BROWN's (Border Raping Migrant Worker Network) that are demanding a ban on christmas, gold watches, church steeples and situational comedies. The Flag is just the beginning!

p.s. As someone who supports a strong stance on immigration, it annoys me to be associated with dumb bigots to whom economic and sociological arguments mean nothing compared to their blind distrust of anyone not like them.
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

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My reaction too...



Ummm. You thinking of this one maybe?




Remind me, how long have you been here?
But ...... there`s only 2 perfect squares in that.........

Okay, let`s begin again. 5 perfect WHITE squares (red cross is red, right?).....(age ... it`s all to do with age ... think of your Grandmother, and then remember how old I am ..... patience is required for me to get things absolutely correct and right! .... oh yes, close the brackets...)

I have been here long enough to appreciate how the Swiss love their National Flag...... on doormats, flags on houses, on key-rings, mugs, coffee pots, candle holders, serviettes, dinner plates, fondue pots ......

Take away their flag? Might as well just drop an atomic bomb on the land.

oops ... forgot .... they got bomb shelters! .. and they will just continue to produce their flags ...... in underground shelters...
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Old 22.09.2011, 20:43
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And not to forget that my "home" canton is named for an Irish monk!

Tom
With a name of another country......thanks for the reminder to visit the Stiftsbibliothek....
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

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The white symbol in the swiss flag is not a religious cross.

It is a mathematical "plus" +

Doc.
Being a believer in collective consiousness I can believe that ...... could be the reason Switzerland is still a wealthy country?...and everyone deposits their money here...? ....

When that song "I need a Dollar" came out, and was played non-stop on the radio ........... America became bankrupt. HA!
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Today at the Aargauer Zeitung:
http://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/schwei...ahne-113290242

Turning up the heat in the controversy on immigration: an association of immigrants want to remove the cross from the Swiss flag because it is a religious symbol. The comments on the article are also an interesting read in the context of the oncoming referenda. I wonder where this will all end.
A) the association in question has clarified that it has no such intentions at all, that however their president wanted make it clear that such changes had to be considered in future
B) that man proposed a flag out of the Helvetic Republic, forced on the Swiss in 1798 by Emperor Napoleon I . He emphasized that the toppling of the "Ancien Régime" and the installation of the Helvetic Republic brought about some considerable progress which indeed is true, but that Republic never was popular
C) generations of teachers have portrayed this Republic as EVIL
D) the present flag long ago has become symbolic for Switzerland


1) the Helvetic Republic never was popular
2) generations of teachers portrayed that Republic as EVIL
3) and this means that to refer to that Republic simply is wrong
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Old 22.09.2011, 23:34
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

It's not a cross it's a plus sign. Switzerland should sue Google!
Much ado about nothing!
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Old 22.09.2011, 23:41
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

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Saw something about it in 20mins the other day. Just some noise-making in the election run-up. It won't amount to anything.
On a personal note, I like the Swiss flag as it is, thank you very much. It's totally unique.
Whether we like it or not, it has become a symbol of Switzerland long ago
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Old 22.09.2011, 23:45
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

Well, at least the Swiss flag has only ONE cross!

How many does the Union Jack have again?

Tom

P.S. Yes, I do know that the answer is 42 3!
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Old 22.09.2011, 23:47
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

Wasn't there another thread on this subject a week or two ago?
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Old 22.09.2011, 23:51
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Hmmm, actually it's a white cross on a red background, but that's nitpicking, I know
The red cross on a white background belongs to, ummm, errr, the Red Cross
Interesting is that the most influential member of the "flag-finding-commission" in the CH parliament was the same person as the most influential member of the Red Cross "flag-finding-commission", General Henri Dufour
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I'm trying to sue the organizers of the First and Second Crusades. With their stuck up religious views and self-righteous royal loyalty they did more to start up inter-religious squabbling all those centuries ago than any videotaped hate tirade emanating from a small cave in Afghanistan. Red cross on a white background though.....
Will you stop menioning the cusades.
Well you started it.
No we didn't.
Yes you did, you invaded the 1. Levant (Seljuq Turks) 2.Edessa (Zengi).

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Today at the Aargauer Zeitung:
http://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/schwei...ahne-113290242

Turning up the heat in the controversy on immigration: an association of immigrants want to remove the cross from the Swiss flag because it is a religious symbol. The comments on the article are also an interesting read in the context of the oncoming referenda. I wonder where this will all end.
See what happens when there's a shift to the left.

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Old 23.09.2011, 09:48
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See what happens when there's a shift to the left.

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Old 23.09.2011, 10:19
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Being a believer in collective consiousness I can believe that ...... could be the reason Switzerland is still a wealthy country?...and everyone deposits their money here...? ....

When that song "I need a Dollar" came out, and was played non-stop on the radio ........... America became bankrupt. HA!
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Whether we like it or not, it has become a symbol of Switzerland long ago
Precisely, this is how symbols are created: they emerge from the collective unconscious and as such cannot be changed at will. National flags symbolize continuity and connection with history.

What is interesting about the Swiss flag is that its shape is a square, ad not a rectangle, like that of other national flags of the world. Also the cross is equilateral. I like to look at symbols and let my imagination run wild: so much symmetry... What does that indicate? Stabilty, predictability, precision, a little bit of monotony perhaps...

If someone is unhappy with a cross being a Christian symbol, it's worth researching the symbol of the cross itself: the first crosses appeared in Neolithic times. Like all symbols, the cross is timeless and deeper than our conscious mind realizes.
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What is interesting about the Swiss flag is that its shape is a square, ad not a rectangle, like that of other national flags of the world. Also the cross is equilateral. I like to look at symbols and let my imagination run wild: so much symmetry... What does that indicate? Stabilty, predictability, precision, a little bit of monotony perhaps...
The Swiss flag is not always square shaped. As a civil or state ensign, i.e. in nautical use, it's rectangular just like most, if not all, of the other nations' ensigns.

By the way, the shape of the Swiss cross is also known as a Greek cross, which is often used in the Eastern Orthodoxy.
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Isn't that the upper case version?
rather the "worst case version"
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