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Old 24.09.2011, 14:28
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

maybe it should look more like this to appease those who insist that the Swiss Cross is a religious symbol.

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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

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Interesting is that the most influential member of the "flag-finding-commission" in the CH parliament was the same person as the most influential member of the Red Cross "flag-finding-commission", General Henri Dufour
I think there's absolutely no reason to change the Swiss flag, but if the Swiss flag was the inspriation for the ICRC's flag, perhaps this alternative flag approved by the Red Cross could be used for CH if the colours were reversed?

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Old 25.09.2011, 05:38
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

This is slightly off-topic, so I hope people will bear with me. On another message board, there's a poster who's a friend of mine. He lives in London and is a staunch atheist. Nevertheless, despite his atheism he loves the song "Jerusalem" (And did those feet in ancient time...) and would wholeheartedly support that song as an English national anthem for the World Cup. The cross in the Schwyz canton flag that eventually became the Swiss Cross may have originally stood for Christianity, but I can see it as a secular symbol for CH.

If the only supporters for the current flag were Christians, I think the protesters would have more of a point, but there ARE Swiss non-Christians who support the status quo, right?
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Old 25.09.2011, 11:51
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This is slightly off-topic, so I hope people will bear with me. On another message board, there's a poster who's a friend of mine. He lives in London and is a staunch atheist. Nevertheless, despite his atheism he loves the song "Jerusalem" (And did those feet in ancient time...) and would wholeheartedly support that song as an English national anthem for the World Cup. The cross in the Schwyz canton flag that eventually became the Swiss Cross may have originally stood for Christianity, but I can see it as a secular symbol for CH.

If the only supporters for the current flag were Christians, I think the protesters would have more of a point, but there ARE Swiss non-Christians who support the status quo, right?
Sure, most Swiss Jews and Swiss Muslims support the status quo and regard the Swiss flag simply as the national symbol. The man who brought up the discussion is a Serb and member of the Catholic Ortodox church and according to HIS statements a practicing Christian.
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Old 25.09.2011, 15:29
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See what happens when there's a shift to the left.

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Seems ironic, because from what I've read about The Congo, Schwyz is definitely not leftward to the rest of Switzerland.

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..hahahaaaaaa... cough... splutter ... I`ve been waiting for this!

New Swiss Flag .... without the cross ....? A plain white piece of fabric?...

Anyway, it`s not a "cross" ... it is 5 perfect squares of red on a white background. Actually it`s 9 perfect squares, but you don`t count the white squares in the corners of the red ones.....
Or white on red background, but don't tell them that!
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

small adjustment here and there, no more cross.

probably still angry people though
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

why is this thread still going?? it was started by some retard who signed up just to post this, and has never been on again, obviously just to stir things up and wind people up, so just let it fade away.
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I think there's absolutely no reason to change the Swiss flag, but if the Swiss flag was the inspriation for the ICRC's flag, perhaps this alternative flag approved by the Red Cross could be used for CH if the colours were reversed?

Isn't that the symbol Jewish organizations have to use outside of Israel given that the star of david offends muslims and were forced to use this crystal instead?

Small world. I grew up in Derwood.
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Old 14.10.2011, 12:30
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Today at the Aargauer Zeitung:
http://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/schwei...ahne-113290242

Turning up the heat in the controversy on immigration: an association of immigrants want to remove the cross from the Swiss flag because it is a religious symbol. The comments on the article are also an interesting read in the context of the oncoming referenda. I wonder where this will all end.
What's your view on this?
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Isn't that the symbol Jewish organizations have to use outside of Israel given that the star of david offends muslims and were forced to use this crystal instead?

Small world. I grew up in Derwood.
Where did you get that whammy from? Please enlighten me!
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

Isn't in funny how stories like this appear just when far right parties are trying to get more support ? - I've seen this kind of thing in the UK, - it's intention is simply to polarize people, there'll be some fruit-cake from the far-right behind this....
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

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See what happens when there's a shift to the left.

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Or depending on the result of the elections, the cross could be shifted to appropriate part of the flag...
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Isn't in funny how stories like this appear just when far right parties are trying to get more support ? - I've seen this kind of thing in the UK, - it's intention is simply to polarize people, there'll be some fruit-cake from the far-right behind this....
Are you refering to those guys wanting to eliminate the cross in the flag? You mean that story was made up by the far right? If so, I think that conclusion of yours has already been suffiently debunked on this thread. Those are very real leftist people with very real leftist agendas.
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

There is a simple answer to this:

"U are only guest here, so u don't like it, go home..."

works with MIL...
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

"Are you refering to those guys wanting to eliminate the cross in the flag? You mean that story was made up by the far right? If so, I think that conclusion of yours has already been suffiently debunked on this thread. Those are very real leftist people with very real leftist agendas."

- I'm not so sure, it could feasibly be the case that they want it to appear that way, killing two birds with one stone... (i) polarize the public (ii) discredit the left.... a bit like when one person does something purely so that it appears to be have been done by the other party.... a kind of double-bluff.... maybe.... a bit like the Americans claiming to 'liberate' countries with mineral resources...
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Wasn't the Red Cross adamant on it not being a religious symbol and still forced to create an alternative for the Muslim world? In recent times they've been more prone to acting irrationally and sometimes violently about stuff like that.

Jewish people tried to have a Red Star of David and that didn't work out so well, according to Wikipedia:

"The Red Cross and Red Crescent movement repeatedly rejected Israel's request over the years, stating that the Red Cross emblem was not meant to represent Christianity but was a color reversal of the Swiss flag, and also that if Jews (or another group) were to be given another emblem, there would be no end to the number of religious or other groups claiming an emblem for themselves, although the movement recognised the Muslim Red Crescent. They reasoned that a proliferation of red symbols would detract from the original intention of the Red Cross emblem, which was to be a single emblem to mark vehicles and buildings protected on humanitarian grounds."

Re: bold. Umm... ok. They could have just said, "Listen, we did it once and you know better than anyone why, so let this one slide and try to care more about the work we do and not what's on our flag."
For Muslims there is the Red Crescent. The name was started by the Turkish Empire in 1876 . The Red Crescent was NOT created by the ICRC under pressure from Muslims.

Under pressure from NON-Christians/NON-Muslims, the ICRC created the
Red Crystal



  • while Israel has the Magen David :



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I'm not so sure, it could feasibly be the case that they want it to appear that way, killing two birds with one stone... (i) polarize the public (ii) discredit the left.... a bit like when one person does something purely so that it appears to be have been done by the other party.... a kind of double-bluff.... maybe.... a bit like the Americans claiming to 'liberate' countries with mineral resources...
You mean that guy in reality is an undercover SVP buddy but runs for an SP seat in the National Council? Come on. You can't be serious, can you? Please go back and read the posts where we dealt with the who's who of the matter.
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

OMG.. You need to fight for that, I am an american ... for years now these groups have done fairly well in getting our flag removed from places ... its not funny as I feel they are trying to erase the history of the country I born in .. I have swiss friends and I hate to hear this is starting in their country .I see no good coming from this. We have had kids sent home from school for wearing a t shirt with the flag on it , as they claim it is insensative to others. but want to then fly their flag . its not right
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

Dont be shocked if the swiss army knife company has to take the crosses off the knives. they will not stop they will change every thing
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