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No cross in the Swiss flag

Today at the Aargauer Zeitung:
http://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/schwei...ahne-113290242

Turning up the heat in the controversy on immigration: an association of immigrants want to remove the cross from the Swiss flag because it is a religious symbol. The comments on the article are also an interesting read in the context of the oncoming referenda. I wonder where this will all end.
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Old 22.09.2011, 16:03
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

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Old 22.09.2011, 16:04
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

Saw something about it in 20mins the other day. Just some noise-making in the election run-up. It won't amount to anything.
On a personal note, I like the Swiss flag as it is, thank you very much. It's totally unique.
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Old 22.09.2011, 16:04
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

..hahahaaaaaa... cough... splutter ... I`ve been waiting for this!

New Swiss Flag .... without the cross ....? A plain white piece of fabric?...

Anyway, it`s not a "cross" ... it is 5 perfect squares of red on a white background. Actually it`s 9 perfect squares, but you don`t count the white squares in the corners of the red ones.....
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I wonder where this will all end.
In the bin I hope
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Old 22.09.2011, 16:09
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..hahahaaaaaa... cough... splutter ... I`ve been waiting for this!

New Swiss Flag .... without the cross ....? A plain white piece of fabric?...

Anyway, it`s not a "cross" ... it is 5 perfect squares of red on a white background. Actually it`s 9 perfect squares, but you don`t count the white squares in the corners of the red ones.....
Hmmm, actually it's a white cross on a red background, but that's nitpicking, I know
The red cross on a white background belongs to, ummm, errr, the Red Cross
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Old 22.09.2011, 16:13
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As an Auslander in Switzerland, Please , Swiss people,grow a pair, the heck with Political Correctness , tell this bloke where he can get off..This is nonsense. Martinus Martin 20.09.11 | 22:16
I agree with the commentary, some people are abusing their hosts! Knowing the upcoming elections, this must have been a "Right wing" political gesture. (There see! I managed to avoid mentioning the 高级副总裁 - Chinese Google for svp)
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Old 22.09.2011, 16:17
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

I'm trying to sue the organizers of the First and Second Crusades. With their stuck up religious views and self-righteous royal loyalty they did more to start up inter-religious squabbling all those centuries ago than any videotaped hate tirade emanating from a small cave in Afghanistan. Red cross on a white background though.....
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Old 22.09.2011, 16:20
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

one of 2 things will happen

Op will never return again

Op will go on all other immigrant threads posting more hate filled rubbish and get banned
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Old 22.09.2011, 16:21
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Hmmm, actually it's a white cross on a red background, but that's nitpicking, I know
The red cross on a white background belongs to, ummm, errr, the Red Cross
Oh yes .... (slapping forehead) Well .... okay ...... works both ways, I guess? ..... the principle stays the same.....it`s just big perfect squares ... Swiss .... Red cross .....

Oh so .... just a thought .... will the Red Cross organisation have to remove their "cross" too?

I don`t suppose flags with work related objects could be objected to on the grounds of .... well .... ahh..... something? ...... Or just plain ugly flags because they are ........ugly?

How many African villages could live for years off the cost of a country changing their flag?.. if they did`nt change it, but just donated that cost...?
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Old 22.09.2011, 16:21
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Oh yes .... (slapping forehead) Well .... okay ...... works both ways, I guess? ..... the principle stays the same.....
Yep.. as much as calling Switzerland swiss... I guess???
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

First thing that came to mind is this thread: Whats the story with Religion and Churches in Switzerland?

Could Phos have been right after all?
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Old 22.09.2011, 16:50
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

And how many cantons have religious symbols.

The monk of Glarus, the keys of Geneva.

And what about the Uristier for a Pagan symbol?

The five-pointed star is also a Pagan symbol and the US flag, a country in which religioon and state are supposedly separated, has a smotheing of them.
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Old 22.09.2011, 16:51
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Today at the Aargauer Zeitung:
http://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/schwei...ahne-113290242

Turning up the heat in the controversy on immigration: an association of immigrants want to remove the cross from the Swiss flag because it is a religious symbol. The comments on the article are also an interesting read in the context of the oncoming referenda. I wonder where this will all end.
The organization according to the referenced article is not limited to immigrants but also to secondos (secondo implies someone born in Switzerland without entitlement to Swiss citizenship at birth, therefore a second generation foreigner, who subsequently gains a right to Swiss citizenship unlike a normal immigrant).

It might be a stretch to call someone an immigrant if they never initially physically moved here from outside the country by virtue of being born here.

A secondo might be a foreigner by choice, given they usually have a right to Swiss citizenship after meeting the residency and local schooling requirements.

An immigrant therefore implies someone not born here who is a foreigner and came here after birth and has no right to citizenship which I'm sure you'd agree is not quite the same thing.

Foreigner would cover both cases
Clear?
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Old 22.09.2011, 16:56
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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

Life is so interesting.

Most seem to reject any association with a deity.... especially the one called "God"..... the name in the Old and New Testaments of the Christian bible.

Then ..... all reference to (okay, how do I refer to this Being ..... ? ... here-to-forth referred to as God .... for simplification) .....this Being`s name is removed from references in a country ...........all symbols pertaining to religiousity are removed, daily prayers discontinued, biblical education is abolished, etc etc ......

And then the country does a graceful slide into corruption and greed, with an equally graceful upswing in corruption in high places, crime escalates, populations become uncontrollable, people begin starving, charity becomes non-existent, people prey on one another, morals no longer exist.

For those dis-agreeing with the above ...... take a look at countries where God no longer "exists" for them.

Most comments from foreigners in Switzerland are "I feel so safe here". Why...?

What I find quite amusing is that when the shite really hits the fans then people begin "praying".... and talking about "God" ... and blaming the state of things on this non-existent being ... or imploring for intervention.

Interesting ....if pathetic. Sometimes I`m glad I`m old and about to depart this stupid planet. Definitely gonna try another one next time!
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Life is so interesting.

Most seem to reject any association with a deity.... especially the one called "God"..... the name in the Old and New Testaments of the Christian bible.

And then the country does a graceful slide into corruption and greed, with an equally graceful upswing in corruption in high places, crime escalates, populations become uncontrollable, people begin starving, charity becomes non-existent, people prey on one another, morals no longer exist.
So that's where we have been wrong... We've been adjudicating ourselves to aztec polytheism...


...right... "It's the No god therefore no moral thing" that gets us....
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Anyway, it`s not a "cross" ... it is 5 perfect squares of red on a white background.
No, it's one white 5x5 square, and four white 6x5 rectangles, legally defined as such. (but the relative size of the cross to the red background is NOT defined)

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Old 22.09.2011, 17:05
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And how many cantons have religious symbols.

The monk of Glarus, the keys of Geneva.

And what about the Uristier for a Pagan symbol?

The five-pointed star is also a Pagan symbol and the US flag, a country in which religioon and state are supposedly separated, has a smotheing of them.
And not to forget that my "home" canton is named for an Irish monk!

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Re: No cross in the Swiss flag

The white symbol in the swiss flag is not a religious cross.

It is a mathematical "plus" +

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Today at the Aargauer Zeitung:
http://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/schwei...ahne-113290242

Turning up the heat in the controversy on immigration: an association of immigrants want to remove the cross from the Swiss flag because it is a religious symbol. The comments on the article are also an interesting read in the context of the oncoming referenda. I wonder where this will all end.
If anything is going to give more support to the SVP it's ridiculous "initiatives" like this one.

and welcome to the forum, nice intro.
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