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You know, it costs to keep and maintain Switzerland. It's a small place, and there is very little room for f***ups. The Swiss exercise a certain diligence in how they conduct their public lives, and how they impact society. Coming from other larger countries, foreigners can be very ignorant of this and sometimes feel they have the leeway to take their own actions lightly. I think it aggravates the locals to see foreigners pee in their cheerios. I can relate to that. Considering Switzerland is now my country, when I see foreigner screwing with it, and not really adding much value to society..... makes me want to deport them. Nothing racist about it. I'm not even ethnically Swiss.
You come across as a very involved person, Phos. A real asset to Switzerland, keep watching.
Btw, it's not necessary to add you are not an ethnic Swiss, it's obvious.
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You come across as a very involved person, Phos. A real asset to Switzerland, keep watching.
Btw, it's not necessary to add you are not an ethnic Swiss, it's obvious.
Buahaha. I flush my toilet late at night, I spend most of my money outside of Switzerland, I don't do Fasnacht, hate yodelling, run red lights at 4AM and I jaywalk. I 'game the system' when it is legally left open and doesn't harm anything. But I do enjoy the peace, stability and reliability in Switzerland and would like to keep it that way.

I just don't agree with whiners and malcontents any more. I don't know who invited them here, and why they couldn't backtrack and go back to where they came from. Time is too short and life is too beautiful for such a dim outlook in life.
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Buahaha. I flush my toilet late at night, I spend most of my money outside of Switzerland, I don't do Fasnacht, hate yodelling, run red lights at 4AM and I jaywalk. I 'game the system' when it is legally left open and doesn't harm anything. But I do enjoy the peace, stability and reliability in Switzerland and would like to keep it that way.

I just don't agree with whiners and malcontents any more. I don't know who invited them here, and why they couldn't backtrack and go back to where they came from. Time is too short and life is too beautiful for such a dim outlook in life.
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I just don't agree with whiners and malcontents any more. I don't know who invited them here, and why they couldn't backtrack and go back to where they came from. Time is too short and life is too beautiful for such a dim outlook in life.
As you know, if you come from certain countries within EU is extremely simple, once you find even a mundane job here, to get your residence permit. This, coupled with the fact that people get used quite quickly with a certain life style (because let's admit it, Swiss salaries are much higher than in many other places for the same type of work) to the point that nothing makes them content so easily, start seeing every imperfection. Whateva'.
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As you know, if you come from certain countries within EU is extremely simple, once you find even a mundane job here, to get your residence permit. This, coupled with the fact that people get used quite quickly with a certain life style (because let's admit it, Swiss salaries are much higher than in many other places for the same type of work) to the point that nothing makes them content so easily, start seeing every imperfection. Whateva'.
Some people will seek out and focus on the negative, no matter what.
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As you know, if you come from certain countries within EU is extremely simple, once you find even a mundane job here, to get your residence permit. This, coupled with the fact that people get used quite quickly with a certain life style (because let's admit it, Swiss salaries are much higher than in many other places for the same type of work) to the point that nothing makes them content so easily, start seeing every imperfection. Whateva'.
I find this happens more with either people who have just arrived here, or have been here for years, but surrounded by an English bubble. Since most the people I know outside of speaking German is English here.

They never learn the language, or really get to know people, and have people they know like that, and manifest things that over exaggerate everything here.

I remember helping with someone move a few years ago in Basel. When we were basically done a woman the flight of stairs down from them invited all of us over for coffee or tea. One of the languages she spoke was French as well. But, no English. Of the group I was the only that accepted. The woman was kind and friendly, and told me it was such a shame. She knew everyone in the building, except for the couple from the UK because they never spoke one word of German with her, or any of the 4 other languages she also spoke. They apparently didn't even push out the word Gruetzi. I mean heard them speaking to her in English basic things, and she of course didn't understand.

Back in that apartment, and the group of only English speakers, except for 1, were talking about the building, the woman, Switzerland, and had no idea how to communicate with anyone here.

It's easy to talk about people when they are not in the room. To make blanket statements about a country as whole from one or two isolated incidents. To say everyone is rude because they didn't read up on your mother tongue before you arrived. (And you I don't mean Greenmount).

I think it has to do with not integrating. Even if you are going to only see yourself being here for two years, if you don't try to get along with your neighbor, and make an effort to understand him/her what is the point about making an international experience if you will take nothing away from it other then talking to a group of people, just like you, also not exposed to anything but each other?

I did not come to Switzerland for a job, I came here because I had too. I never saw myself living here in the millions of plans I had, but it happened. I have gone with the flow so to say. But, hating everything because it is not what I am used isn't going to do me any favors.

It could be worse, it could be Cleveland(people from Olten see what I mean).
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It's easy to talk about people when they are not in the room. To make blanket statements about a country as whole from one or two isolated incidents. To say everyone is rude because they didn't read up on your mother tongue before you arrived. (And you I don't mean Greenmount).
of course i know you don't mean me. When one comes from a perceived "minor" culture like me one never even fantasize about any other soul knowing anything about their culture (to be clear TV stuff is not what I count as knowledge, for very objective reasons). In a strange way it's good, you can surprise a lot of people. Nah, actually I couldn't care less now tbh.
Besides, I speak aprox. 5 foreign languages, never bothered me.
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It could be worse, it could be Cleveland(people from Olten see what I mean).
But look at the musical talents that have come from Cleveland.

I forgot which Zen monk, Alan Watts, or some other who said, "The quickest way out of hell is straight through the middle of its fire." I think it means that trying to avoid it only increase and prolongs its unpleasantries, or something like that.
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I find this happens more with either people who have just arrived here, or have been here for years, but surrounded by an English bubble. Since most the people I know outside of speaking German is English here.

They never learn the language, or really get to know people, and have people they know like that, and manifest things that over exaggerate everything here.

I remember helping with someone move a few years ago in Basel. When we were basically done a woman the flight of stairs down from them invited all of us over for coffee or tea. One of the languages she spoke was French as well. But, no English. Of the group I was the only that accepted. The woman was kind and friendly, and told me it was such a shame. She knew everyone in the building, except for the couple from the UK because they never spoke one word of German with her, or any of the 4 other languages she also spoke. They apparently didn't even push out the word Gruetzi. I mean heard them speaking to her in English basic things, and she of course didn't understand.

Back in that apartment, and the group of only English speakers, except for 1, were talking about the building, the woman, Switzerland, and had no idea how to communicate with anyone here.

It's easy to talk about people when they are not in the room. To make blanket statements about a country as whole from one or two isolated incidents. To say everyone is rude because they didn't read up on your mother tongue before you arrived. (And you I don't mean Greenmount).

I think it has to do with not integrating. Even if you are going to only see yourself being here for two years, if you don't try to get along with your neighbor, and make an effort to understand him/her what is the point about making an international experience if you will take nothing away from it other then talking to a group of people, just like you, also not exposed to anything but each other?

I did not come to Switzerland for a job, I came here because I had too. I never saw myself living here in the millions of plans I had, but it happened. I have gone with the flow so to say. But, hating everything because it is not what I am used isn't going to do me any favors.

It could be worse, it could be Cleveland(people from Olten see what I mean).

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But look at the musical talents that have come from Cleveland.

I forgot which Zen monk, Alan Watts, or some other who said, "The quickest way out of hell is straight through the middle of its fire." I think it means that trying to avoid it only increase and prolongs its unpleasantries, or something like that.

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It could be worse, it could be Cleveland.
Or anywhere else in Ohio.

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Or anywhere else in Ohio.

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Or anywhere else in Ohio.

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That state is really hurting bad
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That state is really hurting bad
It's because it is named Ohio...

O!...hi!...o(h)
Plus they lost a war with Michigan.
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That wasn't even a real war. A few rounds were shot in the air at the so-called Battle of Phillips Corners in spring 1835, and a MI Deputy Sheriff was injured with a pen knife half a year later, known as the Toledo Bloodshed.

In the end, Michigan lost the Toledo strip, about 470 square miles with nothing but a few thousand Ohioans. As a compensation, it got the Upper Peninsula with more than 16,000 square miles and, as was found out later, huge iron and copper deposits. Ok, the problem was that the Upper Perninsula was settled by Yoopers, but they eventually learned to live with those.
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Ohio has produce hundreds, if not thousands of great bands from all kinds of genres. From old soul (O'Jays, Isley Brothers, Lakeside, etc.) to Rock n Roll (Eagles, The Cars, etc.) to New Wave Punk (The Pretenders, The Cramps, Devo, etc).

If it takes so much doldrum and misery to produce so many great musical talents, then more doldrum and misery to Ohio then!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldqtc1OjZBU

And by the way, they also have one of the biggest swinger communities in the world.
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Ohio has produce hundreds, if not thousands of great bands from all kinds of genres. From old soul (O'Jays, Isley Brothers, Lakeside, etc.) to Rock n Roll (Eagles, The Cars, etc.) to New Wave Punk (The Pretenders, The Cramps, Devo, etc).

If it takes so much doldrum and misery to produce so many great musical talents, then more doldrum and misery to Ohio then!



And by the way, they also have one of the biggest swinger communities in the world.

Ohio also produced
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It's because it is named Ohio...

O!...hi!...o(h)
Plus they lost a war with Michigan.
What state is high in the middle and round at both ends.....Ohio
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What state is high in the middle and round at both ends.....Ohio

The father of Granddad on the mother side worked on the railways building between New York and Chicago in the 1870ies , became a US citizen in the mid 70ies, and after his return in 1880 arranged that learning English was mandatory for his son, my granddad, my mother and me
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