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Old 16.04.2015, 23:57
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Re: SVP to immigrants: Don’t mess with the Swiss flag

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I would propose to change the "plus" inside the Swiss flag to a "minus"....but I'm afraid it would only get a "negative" reaction
Link above shows that this idea has been used already
Sorry for that empty post...could someone delete it?
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Old 17.04.2015, 09:40
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Ok, taste always is a matter of taste, but I assume you know that there was a very good reason for the change, even without any pressure from outside. It was really awkward when, at certain international events, the British and the former Swiss national anthems were played immediately after each other.
A bit like the German and old Austrian anthems.

Seeing it was the Germans who stole the tune from the Austro-Hungarian Empire and not vice versa I find it a bit tough that the Austrians let the Germans keep it.

Haydn actually borrowed the tune from a Croatian folk song, so nothing to do with Germany at all.

But I guess there was a little colonel with only one ball who messed things up.
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Old 17.04.2015, 09:47
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Sure, the same melody in all cases, also in fact in case of Deutschland über alles, über alles in dieser Welt .

Shhhhh

the only correct text is

Gott erhalte Franz, den Kaiser,
Unsern guten Kaiser Franz!
Lange lebe Franz, der Kaiser,
In des Glückes hellstem Glanz!
Ihm erblühen Lorbeerreiser,
Wo er geht, zum Ehrenkranz!
Gott erhalte Franz, den Kaiser,
Unsern guten Kaiser Franz!


These words, written by Lorenz Leopold Haschka owe their direct inspiration to God Save the Queen.

There was even a Hungarian version

Tartsa Isten, óvja Isten
Királyunk s a közhazát!
Erőt lelve a szent hitben
Ossza bölcs parancsszavát!
Hadd védnünk ős koronáját
Bárhonnét fenyítse vész!
Magyar honnal Habsburg trónját
Egyesíté égi kéz
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Old 18.04.2015, 11:09
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Shhhhh

the only correct text is

Gott erhalte Franz, den Kaiser,
Unsern guten Kaiser Franz!
Lange lebe Franz, der Kaiser,
In des Glückes hellstem Glanz!
Ihm erblühen Lorbeerreiser,
Wo er geht, zum Ehrenkranz!
Gott erhalte Franz, den Kaiser,
Unsern guten Kaiser Franz!


These words, written by Lorenz Leopold Haschka owe their direct inspiration to God Save the Queen.

There was even a Hungarian version

Tartsa Isten, óvja Isten
Királyunk s a közhazát!
Erőt lelve a szent hitben
Ossza bölcs parancsszavát!
Hadd védnünk ős koronáját
Bárhonnét fenyítse vész!
Magyar honnal Habsburg trónját
Egyesíté égi kéz

HERE the sung Version of the Anthem of Austria-Hungary


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p39ulIfnzc
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I would propose to change the "plus" inside the Swiss flag to a "minus"....]
In order to stick closer to Swiss reality, I would replace the "plus" by the sign "devide"...
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Old 18.04.2015, 15:56
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In order to stick closer to Swiss reality, I would replace the "plus" by the sign "devide"...


Why not with the far nicer




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Re: SVP to immigrants: Don’t mess with the Swiss flag

yes, can you imagine the American reaction to a headline reading "MEXICAN PROPOSES A NEW AMERICAN FLAG DESIGN" or even "CANADIAN PROPOSES A NEW AMERICAN FLAG DESIGN"....yeah, I don't think that would make it through the house or senate! Ah well....
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Old 29.04.2015, 07:30
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yes, can you imagine the American reaction to a headline reading "MEXICAN PROPOSES A NEW AMERICAN FLAG DESIGN" or even "CANADIAN PROPOSES A NEW AMERICAN FLAG DESIGN"....yeah, I don't think that would make it through the house or senate! Ah well....

clear. Either the Mexican embassy or/and the Canadian embassy in Washington/DC would become a matter of history
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Re: SVP to immigrants: Don’t mess with the Swiss flag

you think so? Do we Americans even have an embassy in Switzerland? I say the Swiss should use the old "saying" that I used to hear about Canada: "The Americans have the American dream while the Canadians (or Swiss, more accurately) live it." what do you think?
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Old 29.04.2015, 15:45
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Why not with the far nicer




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you think so? Do we Americans even have an embassy in Switzerland? I say the Swiss should use the old "saying" that I used to hear about Canada: "The Americans have the American dream while the Canadians (or Swiss, more accurately) live it." what do you think?
are you kidding, i hope?

just wait till you have to go there for some reason, and they treat you as a criminal.

Swiss living the American dream? not at all. The Swiss are smart enough to reject the American sense of rugged individualism, imperialism, and manifest destiny...
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yes, can you imagine the American reaction to a headline reading "MEXICAN PROPOSES A NEW AMERICAN FLAG DESIGN" or even "CANADIAN PROPOSES A NEW AMERICAN FLAG DESIGN"....yeah, I don't think that would make it through the house or senate! Ah well....
I know one Canadian that has proposed the US change their flag by adding ten stars to it. Don't think his idea is popular with his fellow Canadians, though...

http://www.exlibris.ch/de/buecher-bu.../9780062325013

P.S. Correction---Diane Francis is American, not Canadian. I don't think many of her fellow Americans are in favour of this idea, either. Even if Quebec was left out and there was no language issue, this "merger" would be a political nightmare to implement.
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I know one Canadian that has proposed the US change their flag by adding ten stars to it. Don't think his idea is popular with his fellow Canadians, though...

http://www.exlibris.ch/de/buecher-bu.../9780062325013

P.S. Correction---Diane Francis is American, not Canadian. I don't think many of her fellow Americans are in favour of this idea, either. Even if Quebec was left out and there was no language issue, this "merger" would be a political nightmare to implement.

Well, imagine the new USA to be a monarchy, with QE-II being the HEAD OF STATE of the enlarged USA. "God Save the Queen" would then be the new National Anthem. The President would simply be the new PRIME MINISTER of the UDA -- United Dominions of America . USAF and RCAF would become the RAAF Royal American Air Force. And the US Navy would become the RAN Royal Amercan Navy. The Broadway in NY will become the QUEENSWAY and later the KINGSWAY. And of course, the American dominions will Change to driving on the LEFT


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> Jimmy Carter will become the EARL OF GEORGIA
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Re: SVP to immigrants: Don’t mess with the Swiss flag

I think that putting an NFL franchise in London (which seems more and more likely within a decade) is a baby step to making the UK the next four US states.

As for Austria being the "minus" sign to Switzerland's "plus", it's only appropriate considering for how long Switzerland fought against Austria when they were under the rule of the ex-Swiss Hapsburg dynasty.
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I think that putting an NFL franchise in London (which seems more and more likely within a decade) is a baby step to making the UK the next four US states.

As for Austria being the "minus" sign to Switzerland's "plus", it's only appropriate considering for how long Switzerland fought against Austria when they were under the rule of the ex-Swiss Hapsburg dynasty.

Switzerland and Austria were not at war often really. The HABSBURGER originated from the Habsburg Close to Baden and so were just some AARGAUER AGGLOS .... and even long after the Habsburger had become EMPERORS in Vienna, they happily took part in intra Swiss conflicts. . Strangely, the Habsburger in the times when they ruled much of later Switzerland were not yet in Wien but in Aachen.
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Switzerland and Austria were not at war often really. The HABSBURGER originated from the Habsburg Close to Baden and so were just some AARGAUER AGGLOS .... and even long after the Habsburger had become EMPERORS in Vienna, they happily took part in intra Swiss conflicts. . Strangely, the Habsburger in the times when they ruled much of later Switzerland were not yet in Wien but in Aachen.
Weren't the Habsburgs (before they moved to Aargau and started wearing white socks) originally from Alsace. So really they're just a bunch of Frenchmen

Swiss history is complicated, with enemies changing over time and external powers frequently getting involved in internal conflicts and enemies of one generation becoming the allies of the next (and vice versa). However, the original breakaway of the Urkantone was definitely a rebellion against Habsburg power.

Of course the Habsburgs of the 13 Century had in little in common with the Habsburgs at the later peak of their power. So one shouldn't let the name conjure up a certain picture.
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Swiss living the American dream? not at all. The Swiss are smart enough to reject the American sense of rugged individualism, imperialism, and manifest destiny...
Until they signed the FATCA agreement and now the Swiss banks have officially become the long arm of the IRS... doing all the screening, investigative and reporting work of monitoring all US citizens financial actions FOR FREE.
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Re: SVP to immigrants: Don’t mess with the Swiss flag

So, the joke about the Swiss flag being a big plus doesn't fly too well with the Swiss people?

Also, I love "olygirl"'s comment about the Swiss banks becoming the long arm of the IRS. Isn't that the truth?! But, on the other hand, this has provided all us Americans with great jobs in Switzerland. You gotta love that!

You guys are hilarious! Whatever the NFL or the IRS or any other frustrated American institution decides to do, we really must get together some time and trade horror stories. I know I've got more than my share....hehehe

Go local sports team! Er....I mean....U! S! A! U! S! A!....er....I mean....America the Beautiful....or whatever....
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Re: SVP to immigrants: Don’t mess with the Swiss flag

by the way, the States has an embassy in Switzerland. I was just kidding about that one...we have an embassy in Zurich and I think another one in Bern. Good old USA. Always thinking on it's toes and coming up with creative political solutions to creative political problems made by other creative politicians so that other creative politicians can further make more creative political solutions to yet more creative political problems and so on and so forth....to infinity and beyond!
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So, the joke about the Swiss flag being a big plus doesn't fly too well with the Swiss people?
Actually, the first time I heard this joke it was from a Swiss person. This was about 20 years ago mind you.

The joke, as best as I can remember it was like this.

The Austrian president was fed up with the Swiss making jokes about the Austrians so he summoned the Swiss ambassador to complain.

The president said

"i don't understand why you Swiss always make jokes about us. After all, out two countries have so much in common, we are both mountain countries, we speak in strange dialects, come on, even our flags have the same colours ..."

Whereupon the ambassador retorted

"yeah, and ours has a plus and yours a minus".

Not exactly hilarious, I know, but after about 8 beers you do sort of chuckle ...
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