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About "I am quite confident that the Cantonal Police of Ticino and the City Police of Lugano are quite able to turn back the Italian Army " No need to fight; just offer them well paid Swiss jobs - no problem in Ticino
And distribute some Alprose Chocolates from Caslano


and start a wine sampling of some Ticino wines





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No. It does not.
Do I understand you correctly that you agree that Switzerland could do very well without an army ?
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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

I'm not sure. We don't want Wenger and Victorinox going bankrupt.

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I'm not sure. We don't want Wenger and Victorinox going bankrupt.
The better knives were NOT sold to the army but on a private basis. The rubbish you got from the army was only good to pass through army inspections but for real purposes you used the pocket knife(s) you had bought on a private basis

A good part of the business of Victorinox is done by the EXPORT side, most of the rest is done on the private side

YES, they DID fight for the army contract, first of all for prestige,. and second in fear that a foreign company might get a foothold into Switzerland.

Most soldiers have had such knifes for many years when becoming soldiers. Boys here get good knives at age 8 and have the knife with them all day for at least 12 hours, and generally rather two knifes.

Sure, at the end of the military terms, we got, from our last commander, a Captain Magni, a very nice and exceptionally practical pocket knife with the insignia of the unit, which I still have with me. Indeed, at a certain age I will hand it over to the Landesmuseum as "LEIHGABE"
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The better knives were NOT sold to the army but on a private basis. The rubbish you got from the army was only good to pass through army inspections but for real purposes you used the pocket knife(s) you had bought on a private basis

A good part of the business of Victorinox is done by the EXPORT side, most of the rest is done on the private side

YES, they DID fight for the army contract, first of all for prestige,. and second in fear that a foreign company might get a foothold into Switzerland.

Most soldiers have had such knifes for many years when becoming soldiers. Boys here get good knives at age 8 and have the knife with them all day for at least 12 hours, and generally rather two knifes.



Sure, at the end of the military terms, we got, from our last commander, a Captain Magni, a very nice and exceptionally practical pocket knife with the insignia of the unit, which I still have with me. Indeed, at a certain age I will hand it over to the Landesmuseum as "LEIHGABE"
Trouble is, Swiss knives have never seen any action except in a Swiss wood.
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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

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Do I understand you correctly that you agree that Switzerland could do very well without an army ?
Something in the middle: a professional army with contained costs, advanced enough to defend the territory in case there are invasions of... who knows what, they even have the vast majority of the territory covered by mountains.... of death eaters, leaded by Voldermort......... moved by a strange need of raclette.
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Old 13.02.2014, 00:51
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Something in the middle: a professional army with contained costs, advanced enough to defend the territory in case there are invasions of... who knows what, they even have the vast majority of the territory covered by mountains.... of death eaters, leaded by Voldermort......... moved by a strange need of raclette.
I believe raclette is banned under the Geneva convention
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Trouble is, Swiss knives have never seen any action except in a Swiss wood.
You misunderstand. These knifes NEVER were weapons but tools. They have seen action in many places, from woods to wine cellars to private meeting places and so on and so forth

You see, you have to take such a knife with you in your check-in luggage. But once,. Swiss people, diplomats, businessmen and tourists alike, have arrived at destination. their first thing after arrival is to take the knife out of the suitcase and take it into their pockets in order no longer to be naked.

THIS is the function
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Something in the middle: a professional army with contained costs, advanced enough to defend the territory in case there are invasions of... who knows what, they even have the vast majority of the territory covered by mountains.... of death eaters, leaded by Voldermort......... moved by a strange need of raclette.
I have behind me some 400 days of military service, but we never had Raclette. While we often had Bärner Röschti, Spaghetti, Züri Gschnetzlets, Basler Mehlsuppe and St. Galler Bratwürste.

I since the early 1970ies advocated in favour of a professional army, But of course, a good part of the officers corps enjoys the many privileges they get via that oversized mass army

AND, if you say yes to the need for an army, you have to say yes that the army has to be ready for practically every possibility. And an army without a good airforce in a small country is lost. If aerial control is lost already in the first 10 hours of a conflict, things are lost

Maréchal Pétain in the early days of WW-II saw that
- Nazi Germany had overrun NL and Belgium within days
- Nazi Germany had overrun much of Northern France
- Nazi Germany had liquidated most of the French Air Force
and so consequently surrendered

Aerial control is important, even if not to be kept up for an unlimited period

So that it is very clear. If you want to keep up the army, you have to help that the airforce is in good shape. The other option is to abolish the army entirely
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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

If any foe has beaten NATO and arrived at Switzerland, we are finished anyway. There is a rumour going about that the mighty German army,
that beat the rest of Europe, was held back by the brilliant Swiss army. That of course is a nice bed time story.

Switzerland does NOT need a WWII style army. It needs a good civilian defense force, supported by good helicopters. Nothing more!
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You misunderstand. These knifes NEVER were weapons but tools. They have seen action in many places, from woods to wine cellars to private meeting places and so on and so forth

You see, you have to take such a knife with you in your check-in luggage. But once,. Swiss people, diplomats, businessmen and tourists alike, have arrived at destination. their first thing after arrival is to take the knife out of the suitcase and take it into their pockets in order no longer to be naked.

THIS is the function
Did they....
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If any foe has beaten NATO and arrived at Switzerland, we are finished anyway. There is a rumour going about that the mighty German army,
that beat the rest of Europe, was held back by the brilliant Swiss army. That of course is a nice bed time story.

Switzerland does NOT need a WWII style army. It needs a good civilian defense force, supported by good helicopters. Nothing more!
Not a bedtime story is that the division north of Donaueschingen was needed on the Eastern Front. Also not a bedtime story is that a Switzerland without army would have been taken over in an afternoon a while before that. Not a bedtime story also is that the division mentioned did not rank as top priority in Berlin
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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

How long does one of them take to fly across CH?

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How long does one of them take to fly across CH?
It's quicker than driving a tank, which is probably the most important criteria.
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How long does one of them take to fly across CH?
Punch the thottle to full afterburn for 3 seconds and you'll probably find that a neigbouring country has already scambled their airforce due to an unauthorised airspace incursion.
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And distribute some Alprose Chocolates from Caslano


and start a wine sampling of some Ticino wines
It's a tactic that has worked before, one that springs to mind is the Cádiz Expedition (1625).
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I have behind me some 400 days of military service, but we never had Raclette. While we often had Bärner Röschti, Spaghetti, Züri Gschnetzlets, Basler Mehlsuppe and St. Galler Bratwürste.

I since the early 1970ies advocated in favour of a professional army, But of course, a good part of the officers corps enjoys the many privileges they get via that oversized mass army

AND, if you say yes to the need for an army, you have to say yes that the army has to be ready for practically every possibility. And an army without a good airforce in a small country is lost. If aerial control is lost already in the first 10 hours of a conflict, things are lost

Maréchal Pétain in the early days of WW-II saw that
- Nazi Germany had overrun NL and Belgium within days
- Nazi Germany had overrun much of Northern France
- Nazi Germany had liquidated most of the French Air Force
and so consequently surrendered

Aerial control is important, even if not to be kept up for an unlimited period

So that it is very clear. If you want to keep up the army, you have to help that the airforce is in good shape. The other option is to abolish the army entirely

3 Bilion CHF is excessive in these times. The sense of my post is that
at the moment there is no one threatening Switzerland for any reason.

If war had to start from one day to another in EU, that would really be because of an alien invasion (green little men, not immigrants !).

You could well use 1.5 of these 3 bilion CHF to help the measures against salarial dumping.
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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

I'm a fan of the Swiss having fast air as an option but my question is has this option been used on any operations, ever?
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I'm a fan of the Swiss having fast air as an option but my question is has this option been used on any operations, ever?
Ticino border is an idea... the people has spoken.
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