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Old 18.02.2014, 20:21
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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

In 2012, a confidential report of the Swiss Air Force's 2009 tests of the three contenders was leaked, which had rated the Gripen as performing substantially below both the Rafale and the Eurofighter. The Gripen was assessed as satisfactory for reconnaissance but unsatisfactory for combat air patrol and strike missions.[200][201] The JAS 39C/D had been evaluated, while the Gripen NG had been bid.[202] The parliamentary security commission found that the Gripen offered the most risks, but voted to go ahead as it was the cheapest option,

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Old 18.02.2014, 21:08
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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

As other people have posted - why spend billions on new planes for a military that only works office hours (including lunch breaks!).
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Old 18.02.2014, 21:25
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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

Naughty nations import Swiss Pilatus training aircraft and retrofit them with rockets and bombs. Why can't the Swiss air force do this? It really is all they need, and it can be home made!
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Old 18.02.2014, 23:37
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As other people have posted - why spend billions on new planes for a military that only works office hours (including lunch breaks!).
This is just a small aspect. The real question still is and will be does Switzerland need armed forces . If the answer is YES, then the new fighters are vital. If however the new fighters are not required, than the whole armed forces are rubbish and should be disposed of.
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Old 19.02.2014, 00:25
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Useless defence is NOT necessary. Drones are deadly and proven toys. Your vote clearly means that the armed forces here should be given up. You have lived ?? in houses without a roof ? No forget it, either armed forces which make a bit of sense or rather NONE

Fixed that for you
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Old 19.02.2014, 00:38
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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

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Says it all- in French with strong Swiss German accent, LOL... with a bit Gerlish thrown in (hmm)

http://dai.ly/x1cjy1j

It is much better then Quebecois ,this way all the swiss germans understand .Otherwise it would be only nil and I (part of it )
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Old 19.02.2014, 00:44
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This is just a small aspect. The real question still is and will be does Switzerland need armed forces . If the answer is YES, then the new fighters are vital. If however the new fighters are not required, than the whole armed forces are rubbish and should be disposed of.
Well !I think the f18 hornet will be cabible to intercept a civilian aircraft well into 2999
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Old 19.02.2014, 08:07
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Fixed that for you
Thanks. But they only make sense in combination with a real airforce and real armed forces. The country could not be defended with drones alone. Without a credible combination of various wings of the forces, they are deady while well proven toys.
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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

http://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/562815...ilitaires.html

HOW CONVENIENT ???

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Old 31.03.2014, 18:20
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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

Here's a link to a really good article on the Gripen E model, one that I consider to be objective. Bill Sweetman is a well informed and articulate military aviation author.
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Here's a link to a really good article on the Gripen E model, one that I consider to be objective. Bill Sweetman is a well informed and articulate military aviation author.
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[Edit] Sorry, the bold and colour wasn't intentional. It was a straight copy paste
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Old 31.03.2014, 20:44
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It's working now (about 19:45).
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Old 31.03.2014, 20:56
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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

If they are going to be deployed to theatre in the not too distant future then the answer is yes. However, being Swiss and how they operate that will probably never happen, so it's a no from me.

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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

Switzerland need boats more than fights after this:
http://lanuovasardegna.gelocal.it/ca...ggio-1.8856910

Short version: Sardegna a new Swiss canton, what a good idea. The question is… for whom? But still a good idea. Made me laugh and revise my (bad) italian. Win-win.
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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

I am sceptical that Italy would give up Sardinia so easily, but if it were to happen it would certainly be a plus for Switzerland. For one thing, it means that the next time Switzerland wins the America's Cup, Switzerland will be able to defend it in their own country.
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If they are going to be deployed to theatre in the not too distant future then the answer is yes. However, being Swiss and how they operate that will probably never happen, so it's a no from me.


You are one of the very few people, that hold to the notion that a weapon MUST be used in order to be justified.


Me personaly, I find that scary.
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297 : 1915 = a quarter hour in case of both

This is why the Swiss Air Force already in the past leased territory in Canada and Greenland and elseswhere


And that's only half the Story:


Available training airspace:



source: http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luft.../airspace.html
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Voting tomorrow

We Swiss are voting tomorrow, the final day, regarding fonds to buy 22 Gripen defence jets. I believe drones and SAMs would be better to defend us in the future.
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