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Old 18.05.2014, 21:42
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In short, does Switzerland need armed forces ? You give an answer which is a clear NO. The way to go may be to hand over much of the army hardware to the Cantonal Police Forces andupgrade the Cantonal Police Forces as best as possible, but to abolish the Union Army
Well Costa Rica, in a much less stable environment than Switzerland, at least in terms of its immediate neighbours, seems to manage quite happily without an army and has since 1949 without being invaded. So why not.

Liechetenstein has somehow managed since 1868. Perhaps that's why the taxes are so low.
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Old 18.05.2014, 22:20
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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

Which means that the army has died
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Old 18.05.2014, 22:23
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My feeling about this no vote is that democracy doesn't always mean doing the right thing, but accepting that people's ignorance is the cost of keeping democracy alive anyway.

This is not a good result for our Armed Forces. The VBS never used all the positive facts to sell the replacement jet to the public, they never mentioned all the surplus Tigers that we sold to the US Navy or the multi year lease agreement with Austria that created real savings. Their bad and now their legacy to start the next evaluation process in ten years or so when the Hornets start falling apart even more than they already are due to spares shortages.
In short, it means that the army is to be ABOLISHED
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Old 18.05.2014, 22:26
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Aww Cannut, nearly 6000 bullshit posts.
Hang in there, you can do it too.
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In short, it means that the army is to be ABOLISHED
Very much doubt that will happen.
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Old 18.05.2014, 22:38
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Well Costa Rica, in a much less stable environment than Switzerland, at least in terms of its immediate neighbours, seems to manage quite happily without an army and has since 1949 without being invaded. So why not.

Liechetenstein has somehow managed since 1868. Perhaps that's why the taxes are so low.
Costa Rica and Lichtenstein do have armies. In Costa Rica they call it the police force - here's what a cop in Costa Rica looks like:


and in Lichtenstein of course they have an army - the Swiss army.
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Old 18.05.2014, 22:42
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Well Costa Rica, in a much less stable environment than Switzerland, at least in terms of its immediate neighbours, seems to manage quite happily without an army and has since 1949 without being invaded. So why not.

Liechetenstein has somehow managed since 1868. Perhaps that's why the taxes are so low
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And they don't mint their own money. And their success is based on Switzerland, and Switzerland having an army. Prior to the end of WWI, they derived a lot of their wealth from holdings in Austria, as it is a Principality. They also derived funds from holdings in areas of Czechoslovakia and Poland. So to say they are some tiny dot of a country that has been able to coast by without a military is because they had agreements with Austria before, as they were a Holy Roman country, and then with Switzerland when Austria was crippled in WWI.


Liechtenstein has no been going it alone, and by lucky chance nothing has happened. If both Austria and Switzerland were two very un stable countries, without the financial ability to stand on their own two legs, then the Liechtenstein situation might be very different, or not even still a country at all. Maybe a Swiss Outhouse.
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Old 18.05.2014, 22:57
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Costa Rica and Lichtenstein do have armies. In Costa Rica they call it the police force
Yup. All 2,000 of them and no aircraft worth talkingv about. Now how big is the Swiss military again?

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And they don't mint their own money. And their success is based on Switzerland, and Switzerland having an army. Prior to the end of WWI, they derived a lot of their wealth from holdings in Austria, as it is a Principality. They also derived funds from holdings in areas of Czechoslovakia and Poland. So to say they are some tiny dot of a country that has been able to coast by without a military is because they had agreements with Austria before, as they were a Holy Roman country, and then with Switzerland when Austria was crippled in WWI.
You're mixing the country and the ruling family there. The family own all that not the country.

Liechtensteins success was built on a mixture of postage stamps and screwing other countries tax receipts. Bugger all to do with the Swiss army. Despite the occasional invasion
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Old 18.05.2014, 23:11
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Yup. All 2,000 of them and no aircraft worth talkingv about. Now how big is the Swiss military again?


You're mixing the country and the ruling family there. The family own all that not the country.

Liechtensteins success was built on a mixture of postage stamps and screwing other countries tax receipts. Bugger all to do with the Swiss army. Despite the occasional invasion
You do realize that statement is not true of course?
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Old 18.05.2014, 23:28
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Ermmmm that was in September bro

I only live 90 Km from the USA border ,maybe this explains it
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Old 18.05.2014, 23:29
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You do realize that statement is not true of course?
Ok I exaggerated on the stamps
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Old 18.05.2014, 23:49
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Which means that the army has died
Based on the Wolli Sunday afternoon boredom setting in factor?

No it doesn't mean that the Army has died, but you can bet your ass that it's demoralizing to a bunch of Air Force personnel not to be given the tools that they need to do their jobs.
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Old 18.05.2014, 23:59
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Based on the Wolli Sunday afternoon boredom setting in factor?

No it doesn't mean that the Army has died, but you can bet your ass that it's demoralizing to a bunch of Air Force personnel not to be given the tools that they need to do their jobs.
You mean taking away their water bongs?
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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

The Costa Rica argument is a false one, because the United States of America guarantee Costa Rica's territorial sovereignty. That's how they were able to do away with their armed forces.

This is probably the end of the Swiss Army as a credible force, unless the Conseil Federal get rid of Maurer and get a non SVP/UDC politician to run the DDPS, and redo the work in a hasty fashion. Those F-18s aren't going to last longer than 2025 ...
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Based on the Wolli Sunday afternoon boredom setting in factor?

No it doesn't mean that the Army has died, but you can bet your ass that it's demoralizing to a bunch of Air Force personnel not to be given the tools that they need to do their jobs.
I understood the Gripen was their third choice of plane, so maybe not the right tool either?

In my opinion, Switzerland does not need any armed jet planes. The Hawker Hunter was ideal for the job, because it could fly slowly and was a stable cannon platform, useful for knocking out Russian tanks and any enemy hiding in Swiss bunkers. However we have moved on since the 60s and today a few armed helicopters are more than adequate.

Otherwise the army has to answer the question "Who are our enemies, and where are they attacking from?" It is after all a basic defense question!
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Fact is Switzerland is not a member of NATO and I will gladly bet a months salary that Switzerland will not be a member of NATO within the next 10 years.
Hopefully not; I would then need to change my username on EF.
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Hopefully not; I would then need to change my username on EF.
Hint: grab the user name "Vatican Guard" it's still available!
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Re: Does Switzerland need new fighter jets?

In the meantime, a bit of humour on the subject, in French and Swiss German:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1v...-au-gripen_fun

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No it doesn't mean that the Army has died, but you can bet your ass that it's demoralizing to a bunch of Air Force personnel not to be given the tools that they need to do their jobs.
.......between 8am and 5pm!!

All military forces should be regularly updated with most modern equipment - but in return they should be able to be scrambled 24/7.

Lets call that a pragmatic solution.
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