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My intention is not to offend anyone it is to defend the country I love.
Which kind of brings us full circle dosen't it? - I'll blindly buy any old thing if it's got a Swiss flag slapped on it.
Very odd.
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Groan away, mate.
I've got some beautiful organic lemon & thyme 90% pork sausages from William Rose in London defrosting for dinner tonight.
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Re: Coop caught selling old meat as new

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Groan away, mate.
I've got some beautiful organic lemon & thyme 90% pork sausages from William Rose in London defrosting for dinner tonight.
That does sound good. 90% part in particular.
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Groan away, mate.
I've got some beautiful organic lemon & thyme 90% pork sausages from William Rose in London defrosting for dinner tonight.
Mmmmmmmh.... proper English sausages....
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Ja ja, read "Schweizer Qualitat" and then switch off the brain.

There are countries in Europe where a "sausage" has to be meat (which may include offal and blood, but also connective tissue), salt, spices and water only. Not the UK obviously - two words: rusk and gristle . But neither Switzerland, where milk may be added and where there are no limits on how much water there can be in a sausage. K-tipp found in a test of Bratwursts that Globus' Kalbsbratwurst contained 19.8% added water, Coop Bratwurst was 32.8% fat, and most of the Swiss samples had between 67% and 80% sheer meat (without connective tissue). For the supposedly inferior German sausages, the maximum permitted amount of added water is 8%, and the products were found to contain bewteen 85 and 90% sheer meat.
Surely this is an integral ingredient in all Bratwursts??

And I can only speak for the UK, where sausage quality was pretty dire up until about 15 years ago. Now things are better, but quite honestly, Swiss sausages are decent. http://www.myswitzerland.com/en/st-g...urst-no-1.html

And what's with all this ex-pat Swiss bashing???
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Surely this is an integral ingredient in all Bratwursts??
No it isn't. Not even in Switzerland

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And I can only speak for the UK, where sausage quality was pretty dire up until about 15 years ago. Now things are better, but quite honestly, Swiss sausages are decent. http://www.myswitzerland.com/en/st-g...urst-no-1.html

And what's with all this ex-pat Swiss bashing???
Swiss bashing? It doesn't exist on this thread. There is a lot of Coop bashing, and this is entirely justified. There is also a fair bit of Bünzli (Philistine) bashing, which is equally justified, because what Coop did would come back to haunt them were it not for a part of the Swiss population who will, without thinking twice, devour anything that has a Swiss cross on it, pay obscene prices, and dismiss foreign food as inferior per se.

Your link is a nice example. The tourist office (!) sings the praise of the St. Galler Kalbsbratwurst, where "Only the finest veal, a little bacon and fresh milk may be used as ingredients" [ETA as per law, only 40% veal is required i.e. over 50% of dry matter, so "a little bacon" means up to 49% of solids are bacon or pork meat]. K-tipp tells the real story (and in more detail here - not enough veal, excessive added water, one Bratwurst -Bell, no less- contained sunflower oil). Are K-tipp Swiss-bashers, too?

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Good trick!

Not very convenient to bring the cat to do grocery though...
But if I do take the cat to the shops...can I claim 500g of meat for him?
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But if I do take the cat to the shops...can I claim 500g of meat for him?
His senses are required for meat sold in Switzerland - no quotas apply
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And what's with all this ex-pat Swiss bashing???
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Re: Coop caught selling old meat as new

I'm afraid that milk is an ingredient in Kalbsbratwurst. Ask any butcher here.
And Kalbsbratwurst can only be called that if it has at least 50% veal, otherwise it is just Bratwurst.
Don't know about American Brats, though. The ingredients in those are anybody's guess......
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Re: Coop caught selling old meat as new

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From my own point of view it's just simply a money saver. A few weeks ago I bought a joint of beef from a butcher in Germany that cost a third of the price I would have paid here. The quality is no better and no worse than here. (LiB - the butcher was also not wearing gloves as far as I remember...).

We're not regular visitors to Germany but it DOES stick in the throat when you see Germans paying unfathomably lower prices for most stuff (they certainly don't live on wages that are a third of their Swiss counterparts). I like shopping here in Switzerland and can't justify chasing up to Germany for every piddly thing but I will definitely do a run up there before Christmas simply because I feel I'm going to be shamelessly ripped off for the same items here in Zurich.
This. Many times this. It is like you read my mind on this thread. Truth be known I'm fairly indifferent to Swiss farmers, you do your job, I do mine. Except I don't get subsidised to the tune on 2 gigabucks annually:

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/country_...ml?cid=5763942

...and yet it still seems cheaper to send lamb from NZ to here than grow it locally.

I'm also yet to appreciate this mythical "quality is better here" that I keep hearing about. Yes quality here is good, and you never see really cheap rubbish (or cheap anything) but it's not that great, given the cost. One thing I miss from back home is the butcher section of the Queen Victoria Market. It's like the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory of Meat (well...something like that). With or without antibiotics at no extra cost....Actually I miss proper marketplace markets in general. I guess it needs too much space / makes too much noise or mess to work well here.

As for the sausage issue (insert dodgy joke here), yep yourr low end snags in Australia and the UK are indeed filled with filling of questionable origin, but by at the price what do you expect? But what I do miss here is you variety in the sausage dept (insert 2nd dodgy joke here) e.g., the honey chicken, spicy jamaica, lamb & thyme etc....

Dammit, when I go on vacation in December I'm eating red meat and oysters for every freakin' meal....
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I'm afraid that milk is an ingredient in Kalbsbratwurst. Ask any butcher here.
And Kalbsbratwurst can only be called that if it has at least 50% veal, otherwise it is just Bratwurst.
Don't know about American Brats, though. The ingredients in those are anybody's guess......
You said "in all bratwursts" - which is wrong.
You quoted an article that gave the impression that Kalbsbratwurst is veal an very little else - which is wrong.
You brought up "American brats" - which nobody talked about.
You tried to make this an "expats vs. Swiss" thread - which it isn't.
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Re: Coop caught selling old meat as new

Thank you, oh knowlegeable one.

And as an afterthought :

Google the 'Pflichtenheft' for Kalbsbratwurst from the Bundesamt für Landwirtschaft.
There you will see - in great detail - the guidelines regarding ingredients and production of the above.
Oh yes - and the list includes 'Schüttung' - milk.

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