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Re: Court win for woman paid 40% less than colleague

I had a blistering row over a very similar issue with an ex of mine a few years ago.

I did all the cooking, all the cleaning and paid 2/3 of the rent. She never did any ironing at all as it was against her "feministic principles". Whilst I will happily joke about feminism, lack of equality etc, I do think it's unfair that people aren't treated "equally". Be that with pay, promotion etc etc.

My argument with my ex over this topic led me to believe that a number of "feminists" and indeed feminism in general is on a par with male chauvanism.

People should not be campaigning for better rights for one group or another. People should be campaigning for EQUALITY in it's true form. Equal rights and everything that entails for ALL, regardless of sex, colour, creed etc.
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Re: Court win for woman paid 40% less than colleague

hmm
I don't believe in absolutes... and even though equality in principle sounds good... in practice it doesn't really work... I think an equal porportion of inequality may be needed from time to time...
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Re: Court win for woman paid 40% less than colleague

Well the door swings both ways.....

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Re: Court win for woman paid 40% less than colleague

Last I checked, it's not like education costs less for women, whether it is vocational schools or university degrees, the schools charge the same. Of course, there are some special grants or scholarships, but usually those come from groups not affiliated with the schools in question but special interest groups, so that's not quite the same.

As soon as the majority of co-ed universities are saying "Well, Ms.Jones, since we know you'll only make 70 - 80% of what your male colleagues make, we'll only charge you 70 - 80% tuition fees" well, then perhaps the women will stop pushing for equal pay. Our bills are the same, why should our wages be different?
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Re: Court win for woman paid 40% less than colleague

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The plaintiff, whose name has not been made public, discovered by chance that while she was making 6,000 francs ($6,500) a month, the man she was supervising earned 10,000 francs.
She must be terrible at negotiating. Don't know if I wanted someone like her working for me...
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I had a blistering row over a very similar issue with an ex of mine a few years ago.

I did all the cooking, all the cleaning and paid 2/3 of the rent. She never did any ironing at all as it was against her "feministic principles". Whilst I will happily joke about feminism, lack of equality etc, I do think it's unfair that people aren't treated "equally". Be that with pay, promotion etc etc.

My argument with my ex over this topic led me to believe that a number of "feminists" and indeed feminism in general is on a par with male chauvanism.

People should not be campaigning for better rights for one group or another. People should be campaigning for EQUALITY in it's true form. Equal rights and everything that entails for ALL, regardless of sex, colour, creed etc.
Hope you ironed sharp creases in her knickers
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Re: Court win for woman paid 40% less than colleague

Nice one!.... My other half (female) is considering moving out here so we can be in the same place, but is seriously worried that if she does then she won't find a job . It seems strange that in a country which has so many good things (animal welfare, low taxes, high employment, good food, blah, blah, blah ) unlike the dump formerly known as England... that the system covertly discriminates against women by deliberately NOT having laws that prevent it, and sustaining a culture which limits opportunities ... I thought that most civilized countries had moved beyond the 1950's mentality of expecting women to be 'hausfrau'. My other half has had to be very assertive to attain a decent level of career. Do Swiss women just accept these cultural anachronisms ? why ? sexual discrimination is just a form of latent racism.
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Do Swiss women just accept these cultural anachronisms ? why ? sexual discrimination is just a form of latent racism.
Swiss [sic] is a traditional country with traditional family values... Which means the family roles have been precisely defined and women here know where they belong...
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Re: Court win for woman paid 40% less than colleague

Yeah, there is a hausfrau mentality out there.

We asked our concierge for a different laundry time (it is Wednesdays 1 to 5 pm!) b/c we work. Her response (to my husband, who went to talk to her): "Where is your wife?" (as in, during that time)

The schools have a two hour lunch break for the kids during which time they are expected to go home. Some people have to get an au pair just to make this work with a dual income home. And another friend of ours looked into local daycares just to discover that these places just take your kids for a few afternoons a week, a setup which seems to be good for stay at home moms but not people with a 9 to 5. Very weird.

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Nice one!.... My other half (female) is considering moving out here so we can be in the same place, but is seriously worried that if she does then she won't find a job . It seems strange that in a country which has so many good things (animal welfare, low taxes, high employment, good food, blah, blah, blah ) unlike the dump formerly known as England... that the system covertly discriminates against women by deliberately NOT having laws that prevent it, and sustaining a culture which limits opportunities ... I thought that most civilized countries had moved beyond the 1950's mentality of expecting women to be 'hausfrau'. My other half has had to be very assertive to attain a decent level of career. Do Swiss women just accept these cultural anachronisms ? why ? sexual discrimination is just a form of latent racism.
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