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The Local 06.10.2011 12:36

Switzerland's Supreme Court has ruled in favour of a woman who sued her company for gender discrimination after she found she was earning 40 percent less than the male co-worker she was supervising.

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Guest 06.10.2011 14:01

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Good for her - about time. Switzerland is still way behind is wage equality. Bravo.

fatmanfilms 06.10.2011 14:17

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Good for her - about time. Switzerland is still way behind is wage equality. Bravo.
I suspect male pay will fall, with a high CHf is could easily be used as an excuse.

The_Love_Doctor 06.10.2011 14:19

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Men are expected to provide for their family / wife / kids and are expected to be chivalrous when out and about which comes at a price...

You don't see us complaning! :rolleyes:

So this is another example of equality when it's convenient! :msntongue:

06.10.2011 14:22

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Originally Posted by The_Love_Doctor (Post 1366685)
Men are expected to provide for their family / wife / kids and are expected to be chivalrous when out and about which comes at a price...

You don't see us complaning! :rolleyes:

So this is another example of equality when it's convenient! :msntongue:

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Guest 06.10.2011 14:22

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Originally Posted by The_Love_Doctor (Post 1366685)
You don't see us complaning! :rolleyes:

:rofl:

Some "men" don't do anything but.

The_Love_Doctor 06.10.2011 14:59

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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1366694)

Strangely I think everyone agrees... :D

Nil 06.10.2011 15:54

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Originally Posted by The_Love_Doctor (Post 1366776)
Strangely I think everyone agrees... :D

Oh no.... I have a lot to answer to you but my mouth is full of popcorn...

The_Love_Doctor 06.10.2011 16:17

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Originally Posted by Nil (Post 1366887)
Oh no.... I have a lot to answer to you but my mouth is full of popcorn...

You don't have to answer to anything darling... :p

As long as the kids are looked after and you look as good as that picture... the rest is on me... :eek: :D

Nil 06.10.2011 16:22

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Originally Posted by The_Love_Doctor (Post 1366924)
You don't have to answer to anything darling... :p

As long as the kids are looked after and you look as good as that picture... the rest is on me... :eek: :D

I know I should groan........ but it makes me laugh! :D

Guest 06.10.2011 16:22

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Originally Posted by Nil (Post 1366887)
Oh no.... I have a lot to answer to you but my mouth is full of popcorn...

Same here Nil- how about you and me get together and duff him up:D

The_Love_Doctor 06.10.2011 16:22

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Originally Posted by Nil (Post 1366934)
I know I should groan........ but it makes me laugh! :D

Ha ha only messing of course... :p Or am I? :rolleyes:

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Same here Nil- how about you and me get together and duff him up:D
C*ckblock! :msnmad:

Nil 06.10.2011 16:27

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Same here Nil- how about you and me get together and duff him up:D
I think we will take a risk with him.... he is The Love Doctor after all...

The_Love_Doctor 06.10.2011 16:29

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Originally Posted by Nil (Post 1366953)
I think we will take a risk with him.... he is The Love Doctor after all...

She's a keeper! ;)

tearley 06.10.2011 16:42

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I will support your campaign to remove these onerous social obligations from men once women are no longer making cents on the dollar of their male colleagues (or rappen on the CHF, in this case). :D

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Originally Posted by The_Love_Doctor (Post 1366685)
Men are expected to provide for their family / wife / kids and are expected to be chivalrous when out and about which comes at a price...

You don't see us complaning! :rolleyes:

So this is another example of equality when it's convenient! :msntongue:


The_Love_Doctor 06.10.2011 16:46

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Originally Posted by tearley (Post 1366991)
I will support your campaign to remove these onerous social obligations from men once women are no longer making cents on the dollar of their male colleagues (or rappen on the CHF, in this case). :D

Well you can start by making me sandwhich... :p

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Germanbeerisbetter 06.10.2011 16:49

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http://wtfman.net/wp-content/uploads...s-feminism.jpg

Guest 06.10.2011 16:50

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Resisted the groan- had a laugh- but now wearing a bit thin.
Fact is, women are still paid much less for the same job in most parts of the world, and for most of them, the reality is that when they get home after a hard day's work, the majority still have to take the brunt of childcare, cooking and all household tasks. Well done to those here who disagree with this statement because YOU DO your fair share.

greenmount 06.10.2011 16:52

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Reminds me that I have to be become a manager so I could know what my colleagues earn...and then secretly envy them and work their butt off, so they could finally deserve that dam' wage.:D :rolleyes:

tearley 06.10.2011 16:57

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Look, I love despair.com parodies as much as the next person, but surely this sort of "humor" is not okay in 2011.

It's a system that rewards women, who bear the brunt of societies' "domestic" responsibilities, with fewer opportunities and less pay.

The real question here is why does women wanting equal pay for equal work threaten some insecure men to such an extent? What are you scared of?

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Originally Posted by Germanbeerisbetter (Post 1367000)


Germanbeerisbetter 06.10.2011 16:59

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I had a blistering row over a very similar issue with an ex of mine a few years ago.

I did all the cooking, all the cleaning and paid 2/3 of the rent. She never did any ironing at all as it was against her "feministic principles". Whilst I will happily joke about feminism, lack of equality etc, I do think it's unfair that people aren't treated "equally". Be that with pay, promotion etc etc.

My argument with my ex over this topic led me to believe that a number of "feminists" and indeed feminism in general is on a par with male chauvanism.

People should not be campaigning for better rights for one group or another. People should be campaigning for EQUALITY in it's true form. Equal rights and everything that entails for ALL, regardless of sex, colour, creed etc.

The_Love_Doctor 06.10.2011 17:59

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hmm
I don't believe in absolutes... and even though equality in principle sounds good... in practice it doesn't really work... I think an equal porportion of inequality may be needed from time to time...:msnnerd:

Germanbeerisbetter 06.10.2011 18:07

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Well the door swings both ways.....

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Peg A 06.10.2011 22:04

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Last I checked, it's not like education costs less for women, whether it is vocational schools or university degrees, the schools charge the same. Of course, there are some special grants or scholarships, but usually those come from groups not affiliated with the schools in question but special interest groups, so that's not quite the same.

As soon as the majority of co-ed universities are saying "Well, Ms.Jones, since we know you'll only make 70 - 80% of what your male colleagues make, we'll only charge you 70 - 80% tuition fees" well, then perhaps the women will stop pushing for equal pay. Our bills are the same, why should our wages be different?

Mark75 06.10.2011 22:21

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Originally Posted by The Local (Post 1366597)

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The plaintiff, whose name has not been made public, discovered by chance that while she was making 6,000 francs ($6,500) a month, the man she was supervising earned 10,000 francs.
She must be terrible at negotiating. Don't know if I wanted someone like her working for me... :rolleyes:

marton 06.10.2011 22:28

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Originally Posted by Germanbeerisbetter (Post 1367022)
I had a blistering row over a very similar issue with an ex of mine a few years ago.

I did all the cooking, all the cleaning and paid 2/3 of the rent. She never did any ironing at all as it was against her "feministic principles". Whilst I will happily joke about feminism, lack of equality etc, I do think it's unfair that people aren't treated "equally". Be that with pay, promotion etc etc.

My argument with my ex over this topic led me to believe that a number of "feminists" and indeed feminism in general is on a par with male chauvanism.

People should not be campaigning for better rights for one group or another. People should be campaigning for EQUALITY in it's true form. Equal rights and everything that entails for ALL, regardless of sex, colour, creed etc.

Hope you ironed sharp creases in her knickers :D

CoderMark 07.10.2011 10:55

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Nice one!.... My other half (female) is considering moving out here so we can be in the same place, but is seriously worried that if she does then she won't find a job . It seems strange that in a country which has so many good things (animal welfare, low taxes, high employment, good food, blah, blah, blah ) unlike the dump formerly known as England... that the system covertly discriminates against women by deliberately NOT having laws that prevent it, and sustaining a culture which limits opportunities ... I thought that most civilized countries had moved beyond the 1950's mentality of expecting women to be 'hausfrau'. My other half has had to be very assertive to attain a decent level of career. Do Swiss women just accept these cultural anachronisms ? why ? sexual discrimination is just a form of latent racism.

The_Love_Doctor 07.10.2011 10:59

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Originally Posted by CoderMark (Post 1367874)
Do Swiss women just accept these cultural anachronisms ? why ? sexual discrimination is just a form of latent racism.

Swiss [sic] is a traditional country with traditional family values... Which means the family roles have been precisely defined and women here know where they belong... :msntongue:

tearley 07.10.2011 11:04

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Yeah, there is a hausfrau mentality out there.

We asked our concierge for a different laundry time (it is Wednesdays 1 to 5 pm!) b/c we work. Her response (to my husband, who went to talk to her): "Where is your wife?" (as in, during that time)

The schools have a two hour lunch break for the kids during which time they are expected to go home. Some people have to get an au pair just to make this work with a dual income home. And another friend of ours looked into local daycares just to discover that these places just take your kids for a few afternoons a week, a setup which seems to be good for stay at home moms but not people with a 9 to 5. Very weird.

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Originally Posted by CoderMark (Post 1367874)
Nice one!.... My other half (female) is considering moving out here so we can be in the same place, but is seriously worried that if she does then she won't find a job . It seems strange that in a country which has so many good things (animal welfare, low taxes, high employment, good food, blah, blah, blah ) unlike the dump formerly known as England... that the system covertly discriminates against women by deliberately NOT having laws that prevent it, and sustaining a culture which limits opportunities ... I thought that most civilized countries had moved beyond the 1950's mentality of expecting women to be 'hausfrau'. My other half has had to be very assertive to attain a decent level of career. Do Swiss women just accept these cultural anachronisms ? why ? sexual discrimination is just a form of latent racism.



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