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So that Banksy "work of art" limited edition numbered hardback coffee table book that I especially purchased for you for Christmas, should go where exactly, the trash can?
civil society's lynchpin is property rights. if a building owner gives consent, then go ahead paint whatever crap you please on his walls. otherwise, cane banksy until his bottom is red and splash turpentine all over his art.
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what in your opinion are these "profound theories"?
It's reasons not theories. For one, family life in Switzerland is not the same as in other places, where people have big families and they hang out in the evenings and enjoy each other's company. This poses a problem with the youth as they're forced to roam the streets and are bored. Reason for this boredom are the following:

-lack of sports facilities and infrastructure
-lack of enjoyment centers with various games etc.
-lack of overall youth activities

This boredom turns into a major depression (thus the high suicide rate)...and is represented with the ever so increasing numbers of teen violence, drug and alcohol abuse, vandalism.
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It's reasons not theories. For one, family life in Switzerland is not the same as in other places, where people have big families and they hang out in the evenings and enjoy each other's company. This poses a problem with the youth as they're forced to roam the streets and are bored. Reason for this boredom are the following:

-lack of sports facilities and infrastructure
-lack of enjoyment centers with various games etc.
-lack of overall youth activities

This boredom turns into a major depression (thus the high suicide rate)...and is represented with the ever so increasing numbers of teen violence, drug and alcohol abuse, vandalism.
What you actually meant to say is that we miss 24/7 malls so the young ones can work and hang out there, right?
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Old 11.10.2011, 11:14
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What you actually meant to say is that we miss 24/7 malls so the young ones can work and hang out there, right?
No, not at all...where do you read anything about malls?
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Old 11.10.2011, 11:30
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Re: Poor quality of graffiti

If you like graffiti, you should check the "Bridge-Gallery" in Lörrach:

http://www.loerrach.de/ceasy/modules...=gallery&id=52
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Old 11.10.2011, 11:42
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It's reasons not theories. For one, family life in Switzerland is not the same as in other places, where people have big families and they hang out in the evenings and enjoy each other's company. This poses a problem with the youth as they're forced to roam the streets and are bored. Reason for this boredom are the following:

-lack of sports facilities and infrastructure
-lack of enjoyment centers with various games etc.
-lack of overall youth activities

This boredom turns into a major depression (thus the high suicide rate)...and is represented with the ever so increasing numbers of teen violence, drug and alcohol abuse, vandalism.
Whatever the problems are, they've been around a long time.
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There's a lot of graffiti tourism going on too, city to city.

I read quite a bit about this stuff recently. One name that caused a plague with tagging in London was a guy who used to tag "tox" with the 2 numbers of the year. He even made a banksy piece.





http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesi...riminal-damage

Now anyone that's been into Zurich HB on a train will see this tag.n (TOX07)

They get about these graffiti guys.

Although one guy called invader is super cool. Not really graffiti but urban art, there's a huge difference. It takes thought and creativity to do what banksy, invader et all do. Any fool can tag a wall with TOX07.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invader_(artist)

http://www.space-invaders.com/

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-lack of sports facilities and infrastructure
-lack of enjoyment centers with various games etc.
-lack of overall youth activities
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Do u live in Switzerland????? Sounds like you are confusing Zurich with the ghettos of Berkshire


Excuses for graffiti my arse
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Old 11.10.2011, 14:34
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Do u live in Switzerland????? Sounds like you are confusing Zurich with the ghettos of Berkshire


Excuses for graffiti my arse
Maybe you should take off them pink shades for a while....
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Re: Poor quality of graffiti

When I saw "Hello Trash" in huge graffiti style letters on the side of Brockenhaus I thought it was clever marketing, then my son pointed out it was actually everywhere going in and out of Zurich HB .
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This would be equivalent to somebody graffiting Swiss-German swearwords in London. Would people be as offended as if it were English, even if they knew what it meant? Na, it would come across as quaint, maybe even artistic.
If you saw the particular graffiti some of us zurichers are referring to on the train into HB, you'd discount the artistic theory.
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Some of the viewers here may not have been here long enough to know about Zürich's most infamous street artist - Harald Naegeli.
Oh. I thought Oliver Fricker might be more infamous - certainly more global appeal...

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This boredom turns into a major depression (thus the high suicide rate)...and is represented with the ever so increasing numbers of teen violence, drug and alcohol abuse, vandalism.
So catching up with the rest of Europe then...
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Oh. I thought Oliver Fricker might be more infamous - certainly more global appeal...



So catching up with the rest of Europe then...
No, it's not...it's way ahead already.
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No, it's not...it's way ahead already.
Okayyyy.
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Re: Poor quality of graffiti

lost inbroad, mate, you trying to paint a picture of Switzerland that doesn't gel with what I see. Take Harlem in New York, go to Clapton in London. Any Swiss kid who complains at lack of youth engagement needs to stop pretending to live in a ghetto I reckon.

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No, it's not...it's way ahead already.
Got any stats on that? Wikipedia puts plenty of European countries ahead, including Sweden, France, Belgium, Finland. And if you focus on male suicide rates it's lower still.
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What exactly do you mean by "being tackled" ? Should there be a force of thousands of plainclothes-policemen roaming the city at night ?
That's ridiculous. The only solution to graffiti "artists" is roof-top snipers. A pile of bodies at the foot of the wall "pour encourager les autres".
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lost inbroad, mate, <snip>

Got any stats on that? <snip>
That's what I said:

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Okayyyy.
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Re: Poor quality of graffiti

Actually a quick look at WHO stats suggest that Swiss suicide rates are significantly lower than they used to be, eg in 1980. and the rates are more than double among old people compared to the young disaffected wannabe gangsters who are driven to graffiti due to lack of Sea Cadet groups. http://www.who.int/mental_health/media/swit.pdf
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Actually a quick look at WHO stats suggest that Swiss suicide rates are significantly lower than they used to be, eg in 1980. and the rates are more than double among old people compared to the young disaffected wannabe gangsters who are driven to graffiti due to lack of Sea Cadet groups. http://www.who.int/mental_health/media/swit.pdf
That's 'cos they've all turned to a life of crime...

Back to the yoofs: the key question is has the rate of graffiti increased in this segment?
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Old 11.10.2011, 16:24
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Re: Poor quality of graffiti

Maybe the kids are sick of all the foreigners smirking at how untrendy the local kids are?
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