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You don't - but if you are demonstrating AGAINST Capitalism/Globalisation etc etc - don't you think you ought to pay a little more attention to where the products you are consuming originate??
I was not demonstrating, and do not see any reason why anybody should be opposed to Dutch and Danish groups of companies
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Old 17.10.2011, 18:08
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not as long as they are cheap
So to clarify it is OK to demonstrate against capitialism/globalisation if:

You wear underwear made in China
US Branded Jeans made in India
UK branded T-shirt and shirt from Turkey
"Italian" shoes from India
Drinking in beer owned by a Dutch multinational
Writing banners using pens from Taiwan
Organising the protest using phones designed in the US and built in the far east
Taking photographs with cameras made in Japan
Uploading to the internet using Chinese made computer - sitting at their Swedish owned Slovak produced desks.

Don't get me wrong - I get their point. I understand why they feel they should protest - but hypocracy is everywhere.

Do as I say, don't do as I do.
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Old 17.10.2011, 18:24
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Re: Anti Banking demo

Happy Birthday... good on you for standing up to them... were you at the Bilderberg meeting as well? That was an awesome event!
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Old 17.10.2011, 18:25
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Re: Anti Banking demo

PS... Zurich has a wonderful We Are Change chapter with a "stammtisch" every week... their site also shows the other locations around Switzerland and their weekly meeting location.

http://www.wearechange.ch/
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Old 17.10.2011, 18:30
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And I'm not fully convinced they are all just lefties, hippies and commies... Roger Köppel (SVP guru and owner of the "Weltwoche") said last night on TV that he had quite some sympathy for the protests - and he's about as right wind as you can get!
Well, it is in keeping with SVP style to side against the establishment and with a populist movement. So that doesn't surprise me.
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Re: Anti Banking demo

Now, I thought all this started because of corporate influence in politics and the fact that they can make undisclosed donations to the Republican politician of their choice and heavily influence the making of laws which give advantage to the 1%.
But we shouldn't let it distract us from finding a cheap quality beer or turning it into an anti corporate/globalisation rant, which would suit the corporate spin doctors just fine.
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Old 17.10.2011, 19:40
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So to clarify it is OK to demonstrate against capitialism/globalisation if:

You wear underwear made in China
US Branded Jeans made in India
UK branded T-shirt and shirt from Turkey
"Italian" shoes from India
Drinking in beer owned by a Dutch multinational
Writing banners using pens from Taiwan
Organising the protest using phones designed in the US and built in the far east
Taking photographs with cameras made in Japan
Uploading to the internet using Chinese made computer - sitting at their Swedish owned Slovak produced desks.

Don't get me wrong - I get their point. I understand why they feel they should protest - but hypocracy is everywhere.

Do as I say, don't do as I do.
So that, by these criteria, I am well entitled not just to visit such demos but even to participate as
- my underwear most likely is from India or China
- the same applies to my T-shirts, except that two are "made in Russia" and two "made in Tunisia"
- my jeans are from Turkey and countries in Africa and Asia
- my sport-shoes (Nike) are most likely produced in China or Indonesia
- my Fashy slippers were produced in Vietnam
- I do drink beers produced by a Dutch multinational
- my computer is Japanese
- my favourite wine-glass is "made in Egypt"


So that I happily fulfil your conditions

That people who first demonstrate against the USA and then "retire" to the next Starbucks or McDonald's do not really have logics on their side is obvious, true


An exception to be mentioned in my case: my watch is a Certina BlueRibbon of 1966 vintage, in those times 100% produced in the Jura mountains
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Old 17.10.2011, 19:42
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Happy Birthday... good on you for standing up to them... were you at the Bilderberg meeting as well? That was an awesome event!
No, I just took the opportunity over the weekend to give them a tiny bit of support they well deserve
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Old 17.10.2011, 20:04
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Re: Anti Banking demo

I'm still curious to know what the man on the street ought to do in response to the Western economic crisis. Not wear Nike? That would be easy. Pester the politicians to at least communicate on the issue? That's worth an afternoon in the cold, no?
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Old 17.10.2011, 20:26
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do not see any reason why anybody should be opposed to Dutch ---- companies
shell oil?
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Old 17.10.2011, 20:28
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Tu quoque ( /tˈkwkw/),[1] or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a kind of logical fallacy. It is a Latin term for "you, too" or "you, also". A tu quoque argument attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting his failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This dismisses someone's point of view on an issue on the argument that the person is inconsistent in that very thing.[2] It is considered an ad hominem argument, since it focuses on the party itself, rather than its positions.[3

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shell oil?
Royal Dutch Shell, that British-Dutch company is an interesting company. I however when driving always had a preference for Migrol, Coop and AGIP(It.) plus Total (F)
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Royal Dutch Shell, that British-Dutch company is an interesting company. I however when driving always had a preference for Migrol, Coop and AGIP(It.) plus Total (F)
I once did a three-day assesment with Royal Dutch Shell as I wanted to get into their trainee programme.

Maybe my opinion is tainted because I was turned down, but they are a mighty strange company. The info pack they sent me before the event was splattered with typos and in its travel advice section on how to get to the location (in the middle of a fancy part of Den Haag) there were such gems as don't walk along dark alleys alone, and if there's a fire, don't jump out of the window unless you're in the second floor or below. At lunch with one of their executives he was telling us that the Brent Spa was an inside job and they were partners with Greenpeace all along, only pretending to be at opposite ends to make it look good for the media. The next executive I talked to was responsible for purchasing toilet paper for the filling stations and she was so enthusiastic about that that it was embarrassing. And all the clocks in all the meeting rooms were out of synch so I don't know how they ever manage to start a meeting on time.

It made me wonder whether anybody in that company is normal.
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It made me wonder whether anybody in that company is normal.
Nobody is normal. Plenty are predictable. Fear rules, ok?
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Re: Anti Banking demo

Quote of the week must go to the demonstrator in London who when asked said:

"People need to realise they have more power than they think they do. I will stay protesting until the end of the week – when I go on holiday"

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Quote of the week must go to the demonstrator in London who when asked said:

"People need to realise they have more power than they think they do. I will stay protesting until the end of the week – when I go on holiday"

Your posts seem to indicate you think it's only crusty unemployed people protesting. Why the incredulity?
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Old 18.10.2011, 13:11
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Why the incredulity?
I just admire his commitment - sticking it out for a whole week. Wow!! That is really going to make a point.

The protesters are a funny lot - all tucked up in the £39 (69chf) "made in China" tents - and their "made in China" sleeping bags - drinking Starbucks and Coca-Cola.

Capitalism/Globalisation stinks doesn't it.

If they don't have the wit to actually behave the way they preach why should anyone take any notice? Where is their achievable list of demands? Where is their commitment to those specific demands?
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I just admire his commitment - sticking it out for a whole week. Wow!! That is really going to make a point.

The protesters are a funny lot - all tucked up in the £39 (69chf) "made in China" tents - and their "made in China" sleeping bags - drinking Starbucks and Coca-Cola.

Capitalism/Globalisation stinks doesn't it.

If they don't have the wit to actually behave the way they preach why should anyone take any notice? Where is their achievable list of demands? Where is their commitment to those specific demands?
Perhaps concentrate on the political message that people are not happy with the way the economy is heading and want politicians to communicate more on the topic, rather than worrying about individual lifestyle choices? Just a thought.
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Perhaps concentrate on the political message that people are not happy with the way the economy is heading and want politicians to communicate more on the topic, rather than worrying about individual lifestyle choices? Just a thought.
So why not camp outside Parliment - in London, Washington and Bern?
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Perhaps concentrate on the political message that people are not happy with the way the economy is heading and want politicians to communicate more on the topic, rather than worrying about individual lifestyle choices? Just a thought.
Uncle, I am with you on the communication issue, completely. Not only that, it would be nice to see politicians be more propositive about solutions on how to handle crises. Usually though, the cure is harsher than the disease, and therefore very unpopular/brings votes down, so politicians abstain.

On the other side of the coin I always wonder, when I hear people complain/protest on the street, how many of them would be willing/capable to stand up and, given the chance, propose concrete solutions. Granted the majority of politicians I see worldwide are big "tools", I would like to see what each and every protester would do if he/she was in their shoes, how they would handle the situation.

XYZ sucks, ok. What would YOU do then? I find it's a very easy route to complain without putting forth solutions. Much harder to take the responsibility of making a choice.
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