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Old 08.12.2011, 13:32
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Re: Euthanasia in Switzerland

I support it as far as I understand what this company actually does. I believe strongly in individualism and controlling your own life. If you wish to kill yourself then I think that you should go ahead but only if you've really thought about it. I think in the case of this place that allows suicide there should be extensive screening before it is allowed.

A number of you have mentioned incurable cancers and diseases that just eat away at people and such things as being perfect reasons for suicide. I don't disagree at all. If I had aids or something incurable I'd kill myself but I think that there is another valid reason for an individual to kill him/herself: they just don't like life. You know it shouldn't be taken for granted that life is inherantly awesome. I assure you all that some people can see life objectively as being not really that great or valuable
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Old 08.12.2011, 13:45
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Re: Euthanasia in Switzerland

Euthanasia should be done when someone is in a situation of no chance of getting better, when deterioration of their health is the only path they will see without any hope to be treated. If someone choose to have access to it in a futur it should be aloud. Paper should be made in an earlier point in time when the person has his mind in order to take decision for the futur.

Suicide is something completely different. You commit suicide by yourself, no help is needed and yes, it should stay illegal for someone to help somebody to commit suicide if physically able to do so.
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My mother was a founder member of Exit, when she was still young, fit and the most positive person you could imagine. Sadly, she was not able to choose her death as she became very confused- and Exit rules and the law insist that you have to be of sound and clear mind to ask. When she lost the use of her legs, followed by the use of her eyesight, she told us many times she wanted 'out' but never specifically asked. My dad was a Catholic and disapproved, and always said - there is plenty of time, it's too early now. Then she had to go in an OAP home as dad couldn't cope any more (I lived in the UK)- and the rules at the Home was that Exit were not allowed access, even if the person requests it. Then she totally lost the will to live and let go - and still, she lived for 3 years in the OAP home. It was tragic, and I'll always feel I 'failed' her by not helping. If dad had gone first (unlikely as he was as fit as a fiddle) I'd have rented a flat and taken her home so she could 'go'. As it happened she died 3 weeks before we moved to CH.
My MIL had also made it very clear we should 'take her out' if she ever suffered the loss of dignity brought on by Alzheimers- but we of course couldn't do anything but watch her slowly lose all her faculties and dignity in another OAP home in the UK. She would travel down for 4 hours, and she wouldn't even know who we were - and then travel back in tears. She was at times violent and did some terrible things.

First thing I did when we moved here was to join Exit - as I want to die in my own home and at the time of my choosing. I am a fighter, and should I be struck by some terrible lurgy, I'd fight and fight like hell. But if ever I knew that the fight was lost- I want the opportunity to choose. I know there are some fantastic palliative care facilities out there, but it isn't for me. However, the issue of Senility or Alzheimers is still a huge problem - as the law, even in Switzerland, means that if struck by such, you still hve to have to choose to 'exit' at the onset of the disease, when in fact you could still have a wonderful time with your family, enjoying life despite being a bit doolalie- as if you wait, it might very well be too late and the right denied.

If somebody makes an early 'living' will' with the necessary checks, GP, sollicitor, next of kin and family- stating exactly where that fine line is- then I think it should be respected (with the necessary checks in place). For instance I'd say 'when I do not recognize my close family, when I do not know where and who I am, when I can't enjoy watching a bird or have a simple story read to me (+ a few other details too gruesome for a Forum). This is the next battle for Exit, and one I sincerely hope they will win. But the religious lobbies are very strong and will oppose this with everything they've got.

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Re: Euthanasia in Switzerland

By the way Exit membership is available for all who are resident in Switzerland for a very small fee per year. I already have 1 friend from the UK who has asked me if she could come and live with us if ever she needed it- as she'd like to be with friends in a proper home and not some cold flat on an industrial estate (as per Dignitas).

it is not just about assisted suicide, but also about the right to refuse to be re-animated after a severe stroke or heart attack if already in poor health- once you have made that clear to your GP- which is just as important imho.

www.exit-geneve.ch is the Romandie site, with articles in English.
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Re: Euthanasia in Switzerland

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By the way Exit membership is available for all who are resident in Switzerland for a very small fee per year. I already have 1 friend from the UK who has asked me if she could come and live with us if ever she needed it- as she'd like to be with friends in a proper home and not some cold flat on an industrial estate (as per Dignitas).
I could use some gift vouchers for the neighbors.

On the serious side, here was my response back at the time:

Swiss to tackle 'suicide tourism'

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Re: Euthanasia in Switzerland

Exit has nothing to do with Swiss tourism, as you have to be a resident Swiss to be a member. With Exit you can choose to die in your own home surrounded by family and friends. Very different to Dignitas - which sadly is the only choice given to people living in the UK for instance, like Terry Pratchett or Debbie P.
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