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semi light Xenophobia

Here is an interesting article I found in BAZ. It talks about a show aired by TSR (some Romand TV channel) which "described" how
expats are to blame for the rapidly increasing rental costs.

http://politblog.bazonline.ch/blog/i...-lane/?lang=de

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They drive SUVs, live in posh neighborshoods, send their kids to private schools, Have their own customs and only speak English. Because of these arrogant invaders rental prices explode in our peaceful areas, the roads in our villages are polluted and the locals can not afford to stay here.

IMO, if Switzerland wouldn't have all them SUV driving, arrogant, only English speaking expats, then coutnry wouldn't be what it claims to represent.

What are your thoughts on this subject?
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Old 19.10.2011, 11:07
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I completely agree with all your points lost_inbroad
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I completely agree with all your points lost_inbroad
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I don't really know what the bold above means.

The reality is that for those Swiss not involved in the financial sector, but doing everyday 'average' jobs, the article is completely true...
Do the expats not go and spend copious amounts of money at Migros and coop? Are everyday average job people able to afford to get their laundry done at 5 A sec?

The English speaking expats stimulate the economy.

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Was this in your word calendar for the day?
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Do the expats not go and spend copious amounts of money at Migros and coop? Are everyday average job people able to afford to get their laundry done at 5 A sec?

The English speaking expats stimulate the economy.
Buying SUVs from dealers who can speak English and spending copious amounts at Coop and Migros is not the point.

It's the same the world over. My experience is in the UK the rich from the south east bought property in the country for holiday homes and weekends. The estate agents were delighted and the local antique shops as well as the up-market restaurants and locals selling houses.

Meanwhile the rest of the locals were forced out of the property market altogether as the incomers forced up values. Many Swiss see this happening here...
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Buying SUVs from dealers who can speak English and spending copious amounts at Coop and Migros is not the point.

It's the same the world over. My experience is in the UK the rich from the south east bought property in the country for holiday homes and weekends. The estate agents were delighted and the local antique shops as well as the up-market restaurants and locals selling houses.

Meanwhile the rest of the locals were forced out of the property market altogether as the incomers forced up values. Many Swiss see this happening here...
Had to google the name for this as I remember it was discussed a while ago but forgot the exact term...

Here it is! It's called Gentrification
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Buying SUVs from dealers who can speak English and spending copious amounts at Coop and Migros is not the point.

It's the same the world over. My experience is in the UK the rich from the south east bought property in the country for holiday homes and weekends. The estate agents were delighted and the local antique shops as well as the up-market restaurants and locals selling houses.

Meanwhile the rest of the locals were forced out of the property market altogether as the incomers forced up values. Many Swiss see this happening here...
Same thing happened in the DC area. Washingtonians bought holiday homes in the West Virginia panhandle and on the Delmarva coast, sending property values skyrocketing. The local businesses loved it. Realtors loved it. Homeowners loved it. But anyone who actually had to try and live in the area on their meger wages hated it and had to move elsewhere.

It wasn't necessarily the fault of any "foreigner". So maybe the lesson to be learned by the complainants here in Switzerland is that "foreign" and "affluence" are not synonymous.
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Old 19.10.2011, 17:30
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Buying SUVs from dealers who can speak English and spending copious amounts at Coop and Migros is not the point.

It's the same the world over. My experience is in the UK the rich from the south east bought property in the country for holiday homes and weekends. The estate agents were delighted and the local antique shops as well as the up-market restaurants and locals selling houses.

Meanwhile the rest of the locals were forced out of the property market altogether as the incomers forced up values. Many Swiss see this happening here...
I guess we can take the money we earn using our English and spend it elsewhere. You know those English language skills that stimulate the economy as well I'd imagine?

It's always the foreigners to blame for the locals not being able to afford a house. Never 'they should have worked harder at school'

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Do the expats not go and spend copious amounts of money at Migros and coop? Are everyday average job people able to afford to get their laundry done at 5 A sec?

The English speaking expats stimulate the economy.



Was this in your word calendar for the day?
i know what you mean and you are right. expats/foreigners contribute massively to the economy. but when i am at coop or migros, i find the most people shopping there are swiss/german speaking customers. i cant figure an expat problem from the customers demographic structure.

there was a report on SF the other day, showing a "rental agent" in the geneva area. he showed a place of that he named the negatives first, like
the locatiion close to a loud highway you can hear, etc. and still smiling he said, that the companies looking to settle their expats are wlling to pay any price and he has a long list of applicants for rather a lousy place, which was in fact luxury and beautiful.

so its not only us expats, the (swiss) companies inflate the market too.
i do believe that some swiss people, that lived in a place downtown zurich in a 80-120sqm apartment since the last 30 years for 900chf, for sure they are shocked to find the rent for their place is now 3 times as much when they have to move.
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Re: semi light Xenophobia

Well some points are true, wouldn't go as far as calling it Xenophobia... Xenophobia is what people from the Balkans are subjected to, as for expats they're subjected to hate from the haters

Totally agree about the point of the explosion of rental prices though, the country does not have enough infrastructure to house these thousands of people coming here every year, the locals suffer and the expats / immigrants suffer...
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The reality is that for those Swiss not involved in the financial sector, but doing everyday 'average' jobs, the article is completely true...
..well, but in that case, once again, Switzerland didn't react fast enough and completely failed to see the issue coming a long time ago. I mean, it's not like expats just started coming yesterday.

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Totally agree about the point of the explosion of rental prices though, the country does not have enough infrastructure to house these thousands of people coming here every year, the locals suffer and the expats / immigrants suffer...
The problem is, that it wouldn't really be an issue if they would adopt a forward thinking strategy.

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Old 19.10.2011, 11:27
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..well, but in that case, once again, Switzerland didn't react fast enough and completely failed to see the issue coming a long time ago. I mean, it's not like expats just srtarted coming yesterday.


No, it wasn't.


The problem is, that it wouldn't really be an issue if they would adopt a forward thinking strategy.
Oh wait...this is an LiB propaganda thread. I feel so conned
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..well, but in that case, once again, Switzerland didn't react fast enough and completely failed to see the issue coming a long time ago. I mean, it's not like expats just started coming yesterday.
Same could be argued about the UK and Germany and most countries in Northern Europe.
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Re: semi light Xenophobia

[sigh] you know what, should we even care any more? It's all a bit "same old same old" isn't it?

As a car driving (not an SUV though), english speaking foreigner, taking the job and the house of a Swiss person, well, you know what... I just don't care any more!
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As a car driving (not an SUV though), english speaking foreigner, taking the job and the house of a Swiss person, well, you know what... I just don't care any more!
Didn't they complain? Do they just live in your garden or what?
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Didn't they complain? Do they just live in your garden or what?
That's quite funny actually - we bought our house from the most xenophobic old witch you have ever met - she hated us. But she'd had the house on the market for over a year and in the end after turning us down 3 times her estate agent said that she better take our offer or he was going to resign as her agent! So she did, spitting blood the whole process. She also owns 2 other houses in the road. Last year she moved into the house that is at the bottom of our garden! Ta-da!!
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IMO, if Switzerland wouldn't have all them SUV driving, arrogant, only English speaking expats, then coutnry wouldn't be what it claims to represent.
I don't really know what the bold above means.

The reality is that for those Swiss not involved in the financial sector, but doing everyday 'average' jobs, the article is completely true...
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I don't really know what the bold above means.

The reality is that for those Swiss not involved in the financial sector, but doing everyday 'average' jobs, the article is completely true...
As indeed it is for expats and other foreigners not working in the banking sector.
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As indeed it is for expats and other foreigners not working in the banking sector.
Or the Pharma industry.

*waves* from big pharma.
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Here is an interesting article I found in BAZ. It talks about a show aired by TSR (some Romand TV channel) which "described" how
expats are to blame for the rapidly increasing rental costs.

http://politblog.bazonline.ch/blog/i...-lane/?lang=de

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IMO, if Switzerland wouldn't have all them SUV driving, arrogant, only English speaking expats, then coutnry wouldn't be what it claims to represent.

What are your thoughts on this subject?
Someone sold those expats those SUVs and someone built those roads for them to drive those SUVs on and someone else yet still sold them the gasoline to drive those SUVs with, and it was the Cantonal Police that gave those expats the driver's licenses to drive those SUVs on Swiss roads and I'm pretty sure the driver's license application was in the cantonal language, and not in English.

So I say...

quitcherbitchin'
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