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as current: 1 SVP, 2 SP, 2 FDP, 1 CVP, 1 BDP 9 23.68%
BDP back to SVP: 2 SVP, 2 SP, 2 FDP, 1 CVP 4 10.53%
FDP to SVP: 2 SVP, 2 SP, 1 FDP, 1 CVP 5 13.16%
5 big parties: 2 SVP, 2 SP, 1 FDP, 1 CVP, 1 Green 3 7.89%
7 big parties: 1 SVP, 1 SP, 1 FDP, 1 CVP, 1 Green, 1 GLP, 1 BDP 3 7.89%
center-left coalition: 2 SP, 1 Green, 1 GLP, 1 BDP, 1 FDP, 1 CVP 6 15.79%
center-right: 3 SVP, 2 FDP, 2 CVP 5 13.16%
some other composition 3 7.89%
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If you think it cannot be done, look at the last two decades in Italy... If they learned anything from Berlusconi can we expect more tits on the cover of the BAZ.
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Did you know if Berset is elected, all the kids in Fribourg get an extra day off school?
It's gone to a second round, Berset was 8 votes short.

Maillard and Rime both got 59 with a Ticino lady getting 10.

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Re: election of the new Bundesrat - 14. Dec

They think it's all over.

It is now; Alain Berset takes the second SP seat and nothing changes in the Bundesrat with regards to party representation.

Kind of boring and predictable in the end.
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The BAZ is already today pretty much irrellevant. Locals read it as it is - after the merger - the ONLY newspaper in Basel covering local news. Unless this gets really radical or there is a new competitor will people continue to buy it. As the market has proven to be too small to make money, who would invest to set up a competitor? So: A SVP flavoured BAZ would probably lose some locals, gain some other Swiss buyers... but not go bankrupt.

If you think it cannot be done, look at the last two decades in Italy... If they learned anything from Berlusconi can we expect more tits on the cover of the BAZ.
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They think it's all over.

It is now; Alain Berset takes the second SP seat and nothing changes in the Bundesrat with regards to party representation.

Kind of boring and predictable in the end.
So my kids will be all pleased then. Lucky little sods
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They think it's all over.

It is now; Alain Berset takes the second SP seat and nothing changes in the Bundesrat with regards to party representation.

Kind of boring and predictable in the end.
Next thing of course, are the SVP going to spit their dummy and go into opposition again because they didn't get their way over EWS?

Quite possibly, the only time they stopped shooting themselves in the foot this campaign was to reload.
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Next thing of course, are the SVP going to spit their dummy and go into opposition again because they didn't get their way over EWS?

Quite possibly, the only time they stopped shooting themselves in the foot this campaign was to reload.
Problem is, they never really had a credible candidate. Rime represents the "acceptable" face of the UDC; former PLR, moderate etc. Unfortunately, he probably didn't have enough credence with the more right-wing members of his own party.
Maybe simplisitc, but that's how I read it.

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The BAZ is already today pretty much irrellevant. Locals read it as it is - after the merger - the ONLY newspaper in Basel covering local news. Unless this gets really radical or there is a new competitor will people continue to buy it. As the market has proven to be too small to make money, who would invest to set up a competitor? So: A SVP flavoured BAZ would probably lose some locals, gain some other Swiss buyers... but not go bankrupt.

If you think it cannot be done, look at the last two decades in Italy... If they learned anything from Berlusconi can we expect more tits on the cover of the BAZ.
I guess the BAZ is not such a great loss. It was never a highlight of journalism anyway. Basel has been without a decent newspaper for decades. I predict that this is just one further step in the slow death of the BAZ, and frankly I don't care.
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Leuthard with 214 votes (vs. 123 needed), total landslide.

Widmer-Schlumpf 131 votes, so she just squeeked by.

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I guess the BAZ is not such a great loss. It was never a highlight of journalism anyway. Basel has been without a decent newspaper for decades. I predict that this is just one further step in the slow death of the BAZ, and frankly I don't care.
Seems Frau Blocher has now sold BAZ to a group who will put an FDP Nationalrat guy in charge

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Re: election of the new Bundesrat - 14. Dec

All's fair in love and the media ....
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Baader accusing FDP to have voted for EWS. Now attacking everybody with Rime. Walter is out.
I felt sorry for Rime; attacking almost every candidate & just getting a handful of votes each time. Rime must have a very thick skin to live with these results?

Who would ever take Rime seriously in the future?
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Next thing of course, are the SVP going to spit their dummy and go into opposition again because they didn't get their way over EWS?

Quite possibly, the only time they stopped shooting themselves in the foot this campaign was to reload.
If the SVP decide to go into opposition then what do they do with Maurer?

He is 61 & if he joins SVP in opposition then he would probably never get another opportunity to get into the Bundesrat; next opportunity is in 4 years when Maurer is 65 and has been 4 years in opposition.

Maurer would be better staying in the Bundesrat, serving the next 4 years & then trying to get elected on his record like Widmer Schlumpf succeeded in.

Not sure how "go into opposition" impacts the SVP people in Ständersrat & Nationalrat; should they resign or can they stay?
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Not sure how "go into opposition" impacts the SVP people in Ständersrat & Nationalrat; should they resign or can they stay?
As far as I'm aware, most oppositions in most western countries are still part of the Parliament. In fact they wouldn't be much of an opposition if they were not because they wouldnt have anyone left to actually be a politician!

I think some people in CH are already trying to come up with definitions of "opposition" that also include "Bundesrat" here...
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Re: election of the new Bundesrat - 14. Dec

The parties are always kind of in opposition to one another when it comes to major issues, but truth be told, they really don't have that much to oppose as anything worth bothering about goes to referendum. It's only when they're bailing out UBS that they unilaterally hand out billions of taxpayer's money without any democratic precedent.

The Bundesrat seems to be so tied up with the "Konkordanz" dream that any deviation from the official line is futile. It gives Switzerland stability and also keeps politicians out of the limelight as they never seem to make any decisions that could possibly be deemed as being in their own party's interests.
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As far as I'm aware, most oppositions in most western countries are still part of the Parliament. In fact they wouldn't be much of an opposition if they were not because they wouldnt have anyone left to actually be a politician!

I think some people in CH are already trying to come up with definitions of "opposition" that also include "Bundesrat" here...
About "most oppositions in most western countries are still part of the Parliament"

True but it is different here in Switzerland; they have Konkordanz & Collegiate stuff to worry about
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Re: election of the new Bundesrat - 14. Dec

This morning I was laughing at some of the quotes from the Romande papers.

Le Temps:
  • "It's the paradox of Swiss democracy. The status quo is a change."
  • "Yesterday, the UDC has given itself the image of a headless chicken."
La Tribune de Genève:
  • Referring to the UDC, "this was involuntary hara-kiri, in any case"
  • "This election also confirmed the absence of the accounting behind Blocher, the castrating father. Witness the pitiful episodes of the phantom duo, Zuppiger/Walter."
Le Matin:
  • Notes that the members of parliament are in need of "group therapy"
Quotidien Jurassien:
  • "In desperation, the UDC went so far as to kick the ass of the PLR, their ultimate allies"
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I guess the BAZ is not such a great loss. It was never a highlight of journalism anyway. Basel has been without a decent newspaper for decades. I predict that this is just one further step in the slow death of the BAZ, and frankly I don't care.
The National Zeitung was a good newspaper and the BAZ was still really good. But for reasons I do not understand unable to become a media empire like the NZZ and TA groups. The new owner, Mr Tettamanti, can now show what he is to do with the BAZ. One thing he for sure wants to get out of BAZ is MONEY, and so he cannot simply have it fading away. He for example could make it more open towards the triangle region which means having more news about Southern Alsace and Southern Markgräflerland. Moving into joint ventures with newspapers in Mülhausen and Freiburg im Breisgau (not least internet-wise) would be another option. If everything goes wrong, he still can talk with NZZ and TA about a partnership (sale of BAZ to one of them)

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[QUOTE=Suisse2008;1434755]This morning I was laughing at some of the quotes from the Romande papers.

Le Temps:
  • "It's the paradox of Swiss democracy. The status quo is a change."
  • "Yesterday, the UDC has given itself the image of a headless chicken."
La Tribune de Genève:
  • Referring to the UDC, "this was involuntary hara-kiri, in any case"
  • "This election also confirmed the absence of the accounting behind Blocher, the castrating father. Witness the pitiful episodes of the phantom duo, Zuppiger/Walter."
Le Matin:
  • Notes that the members of parliament are in need of "group therapy"
Quotidien Jurassien:
  • "In desperation, the UDC went so far as to kick the ass of the PLR, their ultimate allies"


Really nice comments full of Romand charm Really to the point(s). Nobody however points to the obvious. Having been a professional piano player is more useful than having been the leader of the farmers or a wood business businessman. Mrs Sommaruga was in the piano business, and Mr Berset was a professional jazz pianist in Brasil for a while.









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I guess the BAZ is not such a great loss. It was never a highlight of journalism anyway. Basel has been without a decent newspaper for decades. I predict that this is just one further step in the slow death of the BAZ, and frankly I don't care.




Seems Frau Blocher has now sold BAZ to a group who will put an FDP Nationalrat guy in charge

You now speak about Filippo Leutenegger, the half-Italian right-winger who now is in charge of the operational management of BAZ. While I strongly DISlike his opinions and his ways, I regard him as highly qualified to succeed. And wish him all the best in the difficult task ahead

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Re: election of the new Bundesrat - 14. Dec

Finally this proves that SVP is just a bunch clownes...
They really have no clue what to do anymore, just a sorry "one-topic"-party...really amazing though that they can get 26% of the votes...makes you wonder...
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Re: election of the new Bundesrat - 14. Dec

Blocher's days of power are numbered. His finger-pointing is just a way to avoid self-blame. His accusations is a form of projecting and avoiding self-responsibility.

He's losing his credibility, his public respect and, I fear, any rationality.

His supporters are waking up out of their idolization trance and realizing this man is no longer an acceptable leader.

It's time to retire this man before he becomes a laughing stock.

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