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Old 09.11.2011, 21:58
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Re: Seat squatters on Swiss trains will face fines

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I noticed that as well. I reckon its because the latter are big, violent-looking sorts - I'm sure my skinhead, bovver boots and union jack t-shirt helps - and the former are meek and mild.
Now that you mention that, I'm afraid I must revise the picture I formed of some seemingly nice EF lasses and lads.
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Re: Seat squatters on Swiss trains will face fines

I catch the train to Zurich frequently and I cannot believe the amount of people who sit on the steps. It is annoying enough you have to ask people to move their stuff off a free seat, they are just selfish. But people sitting on the steps in the way is really a nuisance. If they are caught do they get a fine?. Because I think it is a problem, I nearly tripped over a teenager the other day whilst I was trying to get down the stairs. He had head phones on and didn't hear me asking him to move. He only moved when I tapped him with my umbrella.
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I catch the train to Zurich frequently and I cannot believe the amount of people who sit on the steps. It is annoying enough you have to ask people to move their stuff off a free seat, they are just selfish. But people sitting on the steps in the way is really a nuisance. If they are caught do they get a fine?. Because I think it is a problem, I nearly tripped over a teenager the other day whilst I was trying to get down the stairs. He had head phones on and didn't hear me asking him to move. He only moved when I tapped him with my umbrella.
Next time just bang your shoulder bag in their head, that'll teach 'm. If you don't have a shoulder bag, get one

My pet peeve is when people block the entrance or exits of excalators, typically to look around where to go next.
I find it so inconsiderate that they don't move to the side to let other people pass. I've shoved many a person
out of the way in situations like this....
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Old 12.11.2011, 07:44
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My pet peeve is when people block the entrance or exits of excalators, typically to look around where to go next.
I find it so inconsiderate that they don't move to the side to let other people pass...
I get that at Marktkauf. Only with a half-full trolley in front of me, if they don't get out of the way, they're likely to get squashed.
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Old 16.11.2011, 10:06
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Re: Seat squatters on Swiss trains will face fines

I have to admit, this is something that REALLY annoys me when other people do it, but then I find myself doing it :-(
The other being people who sit on the outside, so it is more awkward to then sit down....again something I have been guilty of doing...
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Old 16.11.2011, 11:36
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My pet peeve is when people block the entrance or exits of excalators, typically to look around where to go next.
I just look at them and go 'Mooooooovvvvvvve'. I figure them being Swiss they are fluent in cow. It seems to work.
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Re: Seat squatters on Swiss trains will face fines

Very sceptical. I don't think it's a legit measure to make money from fines for luggage on seats. Such rules leave to much interpretation to the personnel and are taken of advantage arbitrarily. Lately, SBB sadly only seems to work like this: more and more opportunities for fining people who wish no other than a transportation at an affordable price, who (most of the time) are complying to common rules of courtesy. Speaking up when one wishes another passenger to clear his or her bags from an otherwise free seat helps already. I'd rather have SBB tackling the problem from a different angle: re-considering the interior of the wagons would be the first - planning enough space, so luggage can be stowed under seats, above or even a separate storage space (a bit larger than nowadays).
SBB has gathered data about passenger flux and peak-times of travel for nearly over a decade and can prospect the increment of passengers from year to year pretty well. They are therefore in possession of the relevant data helping them in those decisions. I simply don't see it put in practice, especially not for 2nd class travel. For 1st class travel it worked - SBB wasn't flaunting the (business) customer needs which require space for work (or storage) on the train and the infrastructure of connectivity. I would be more than pleased to see them apply more of this ethic also to 2nd class travel areas. If levering the price, only in exchange to better service. Maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea to assess also the luggage items that are carried by passengers, so SBBs estimation of what space is required for storage becomes a little more accurate.
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Old 16.11.2011, 15:30
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Re: Seat squatters on Swiss trains will face fines

I always move my bag if I see that a pretty girl is looking for a seat

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I always move my bag if I see that a pretty girl is looking for a seat

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Re: Seat squatters on Swiss trains will face fines

The biggest laugh has to be one of the quotes in the article:

Conductors are less happy with the new regulations, which they say that will lead to “additional conflicts” with passengers.

Have yet to find a conductor that has any issues with conflict they all appear to rather enjoy the conflict part especially when they catch a fare dodger........thankfuly I have my abo!
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Old 21.11.2011, 07:09
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Re: Seat squatters on Swiss trains will face fines

My pet annoyance in when an inevitable old couple book two seats together in a "huddle" of four seats, then put their luggage on the booked ones at the beginning of the journey and sit in the opposite ones.

When that happened and I asked them to move the bags for us to sit, they refused on the grounds that they had booked them!
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Old 21.11.2011, 07:29
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Such rules leave to much interpretation to the personnel and are taken of advantage arbitrarily.
Full train + putting a bag on the seat = You'll get a fine.

I do not see a lot of room for interpretation except of "when is a train full". Rule of thumb: If people have to stand because they can't get a seat.

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Speaking up when one wishes another passenger to clear his or her bags from an otherwise free seat helps already.
Sure. That's what you had to do up to now. (and I did many times during my years of commuting) But you know: People did not block the seat by mistake - they did so completely on purpose because the do not want somebody sitting next to them. So speaking up is a direct confrontation. It is not considered "bad" behaviour, so many Swiss will only move slowly and with a "do you really have to sit HERE" look at you. The fine is not necessarily only a way to make money, but simply a rule that should raise awareness that parking your bag on a seat is selfish. That's how things work in Switzerland: If you put up a sign saying it is "verboten" with a price tag attached to it, people will start to act accordingly.
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I'd rather have SBB tackling the problem from a different angle: re-considering the interior of the wagons would be the first - planning enough space, so luggage can be stowed under seats, above or even a separate storage space (a bit larger than nowadays).
There is not enough space for luggage, especially in the trains going to the airport. But that's not the same problem at all. Nobody complains if a group of twenty going to the airport put all the suitcases on one pile on a bench. The problem is behavioral and mainly on commuter trains and the bags are usually neither large or heavy. It is not about luggage at all, it is about the lady with the designer handbag or the business guy spreading out his laptop and files all over a place to make sure he can travel in comfort while others can't.
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