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Swiss rail operator SBB has said it will begin fining passengers who take up seats in full carriages with their jackets or bags.

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Old 08.11.2011, 16:19
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Swiss rail operator SBB has said it will begin fining passengers who take up seats in full carriages with their jackets or bags.

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Re: Seat squatters on Swiss trains will face fines

Now I really wanna get on the train with my dog and put him in a seat.
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Now I really wanna get on the train with my dog and put him in a seat.
Is it cheaper to put the dog in a bag and buy a bag ticket, or get panniers for your dog and buy a dog ticket?
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Swiss rail operator SBB has said it will begin fining passengers who take up seats in full carriages with their jackets or bags.
Finally, some good news about Switzerland from The Local...
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Finally. some good news about Switzerland from the Local...
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Re: Seat squatters on Swiss trains will face fines

OK. Finally, The Local posts news on the same day as it appeared elsewhere on EF...
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Old 08.11.2011, 16:51
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OK. Finally, The Local posts news on the same day as it appeared elsewhere on EF...
Journo must have shaken their coke and booze induced stupor a few hours earlier today then...

I like the way that no one officially had the balls to take a suitable picture of a deviant with their feet or bags on a seat and we were treated to an stock photo of a Swiss Train's ass slinking its way through the landscape. Hold the front page....
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Is it cheaper to put the dog in a bag and buy a bag ticket, or get panniers for your dog and buy a dog ticket?
oooh... that's a toughy. I'm thinking panniers.
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Re: Seat squatters on Swiss trains will face fines

So, what happens if you buy an extra seat for your laptop and granny has to stand?
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Old 08.11.2011, 18:09
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Re: Seat squatters on Swiss trains will face fines

I take it this will only apply when trains are full?
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Swiss rail operator SBB has said it will begin fining passengers who take up seats in full carriages with their jackets or bags.

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One of my pet hates has always been the selfishness of people who do sprawl over two or more seats when the train/tram/bus is obvioulsy pretty full. But, rather than fining, would it not be nicer to begin with just have a notice in carriages, to encourage courtesy to other passengers? that could be enough to either stop the culprits, or at least empower the standing people to ask the culprits to move their stuff out of the way.
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Re: Seat squatters on Swiss trains will face fines

Why not just ask them to move their bag? That's what I do. I've never had anyone refuse or get aggressive.
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Why not just ask them to move their bag? That's what I do. I've never had anyone refuse or get aggressive.
Agreed. "Ist das noch frei?" (Is this still free?) was one of the first things my German teacher insisted I learn. You need it when looking to share a table at a restaurant anyway, so why not use it for the tram as well?
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Why not just ask them to move their bag? That's what I do. I've never had anyone refuse or get aggressive.

Sometimes people get annoyed, but I really don't care. I paid for a seat, and if there is one free, I want my butt in it. No ifs, and or, about it.
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Sometimes people get annoyed, but I really don't care. I paid for a seat, and if there is one free, I want my butt in it. No ifs, and or, about it.
No, you didn't pay for a seat. You just paid for transportation. However, there is no reason whatsoever for other passengers to get annoyed if you ask politely and there are no free seats around. I never have problems when I ask people to move their stuff. It may depend on the way you ask. I just note that some EFers have troubles with Swiss people time and again while others hardly ever see a reason for complaints. Food for thought.

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No, you didn't pay for a seat. You just paid for transportation. However, there is no reason whatsoever for other passengers to get annoyed if you ask politely and there are no free seats around. I never have problems when I ask people to move their stuff. It may depend on the way you ask. I just note that some EFers have troubles with Swiss people time and again while others hardly ever see a reason for complaints. Food for thought.
I wasn't complaining. I simply don't think an inanimate object holds priority over me having an open seat. Not everyone on a Swiss train is Swiss, and it's really not the issue.

I always ask politely, but, again, it might bother me, if another person, regardless of what their passport says on it, refused to remove their bags so that I could sit down.

I think that's just obvious.
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Re: Seat squatters on Swiss trains will face fines

I'd rather go to the end of the train to look for a seat than ask someone to move their bags. If I really can't find a seat, then I ask if a seat is free. I've never been refused. I also always clear my bags when I see that the train is getting full.

I was a bit confused when I read this in the newspaper. Is it only applicable if the train is full? If the train is rather empty, I really don't see why I'm obligated to put my bags away? People can just go sit somewhere else if there's plenty of room...
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Re: Seat squatters on Swiss trains will face fines

The SBB clearly declared that they also in future will tolerate people leaving stuff on the other seat if the train is half empty, but will intervene in case of full trains. I mean, it to me is self-evident that if a train "fills up" you have to "create space" by moving your stuff to a place below (generally between your legs). That the SBB with support from the police has to get harsh about what should be quite normal is a bit sad.

Comparable to what you do if seeing elderly or handicapped people. A long time ago, I in such situations simply stood up and "surrendered" my seat. But when realising that if doing so, your seat will get captured by chaps of between 14 and 30, I changed my tactics and wait until the person in need really is quite near and then offer the seat precisely to the person and if that person declines for whatever reason I stay on. Worse even is to see that many "youngish" folks do not even consider to yield ...
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... I just note that some EFers have troubles with Swiss people time and again while others hardly ever see a reason for complaints. Food for thought.
I noticed that as well. I reckon its because the latter are big, violent-looking sorts - I'm sure my skinhead, bovver boots and union jack t-shirt helps - and the former are meek and mild.
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