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Re: A Mosque for Lucerne

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Who's the sponsor? If it's a bunch of Wahabbis from Saudi Arabia, forget it. If it looks like an office building, why not?
I respect your right to an opinion, but your anti-Islamism is starting to grate.
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The SVP will only speak against a mosque in the centre, and any minaret planned.
Why?
A minaret is just a tower, often a spire with an onion-shaped crown.
If it's a beautiful design what's the problem?
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Re: A Mosque for Lucerne

According to lieberbruderali.com there are six mosques in Lucerne and agglomeration now but all without a minaret I suppose. I think there is a misunderstanding: The 20 Minuten article cites Mr. Alimi that a minaret isn't a necessity, meanwhile the Neue Luzerner Zeitung abstract cites him claiming that he wants a central location and a minaret (Link).

Anyway I support the creation of this new mosque as it would be backed up by a relatively young umbrella organisation with many roots. And Mr. Alimi preaches in German so I think there is little danger of fanatism here.
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Why?
A minaret is just a tower, often a spire with an onion-shaped crown.
If it's a beautiful design what's the problem?
The SVP wants to get support with their islamophobic position. Forbidding mosques would be against the constitution, minarets are used as projection screen.

They argue, that a minaret is not necessary to a mosque, but rather a symbol of the islamic domination over the surrounding territory.

By the way, they are trying forbid any building of minarets with an initiative to change the constitution.
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Re: Mosques with or without Minarette?

I'd sworn never to post in Mosques with or without Minarette? as it had gone completely bonkers and now Gooner drags us all in here.
Hush, what's that noise? I can hear the trolls coming .
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I'd sworn never to post in Mosques with or without Minarette? as it had gone completely bonkers and now Gooner drags us all in here.
Hush, what's that noise? I can hear the trolls coming .
You dragged yourselves into it.

I had hope hoped this would be forgotten as it's going nowhere. Anyway, Carry on up the Minarette...
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You dragged yourselves into it.

I had hope hoped this would be forgotten as it's going nowhere. Anyway, Carry on up the Minarette...
Tiffin anyone ?
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I respect your right to an opinion, but your anti-Islamism is starting to grate.
What are you talking about? This is my first post on this issue.
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What are you talking about? This is my first post on this issue.
Feel free to dish out thanks, groans or even reputation. That's what these functions are for.

I think she may have misinterpreted you. Which leads me to my next question:

What is the correct collective term for Wahabbis? it's evidently not a bunch.
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Re: Mosques with or without Minarette?

well, it is a quit long thread but anyway;

First of all, i am not sure how many people who posted here would be allowed to vote for this issue in switzerland if it reaches to national vote?!!

this leads me to the conclusion that most of us here (Antis and Pros)are just putting it in the frame of "cultural clash" between Western and Islamic culture, obviously very popular topic after 9/11. So for me the Poll is actually; "would i like it if i go home (to US, UK, Australia,....etc.) to see a mosque at the end of my street?!" and not really about the current debate in switzerland itself.

That said, here are some fresh ideas to the discussion here (again only regarding the initiative in Switzerland and not the "Cultural Clash"), this deserves a separate thread;

1. Isn't SVP the party which brought this issue is the one who got the best victory in switzerland's modern election history by promoting (and still) Xenophobia and conservatism to the country?

2. who will build and use these mosques (with or without Minarette)? aren't they muslims who by now are swiss citizens or long time residents................ I mean swiss authorities could easily find out who is financing it, right? and by no mean they will allow "Wahabis".............for gooner, it is not a bunch rather an extremism ideology founded in Saudi arabia which resulted in people like Osama Bin Laden and alot of suffering for the muslim countries themselves (yeah surprise, many muslim countries suffered terrorism by AL-Qada and others way before 9/11 !!).........basicly "Mother of all evils" . feel free to google it for details.

3.Who should decide how a certain religious group built their own worship places ? And forget the general building regulation thing as it is a political issue her not technical. I never heard of such regulations or debate for synagogues or temples of any kind in switzerland, so again it is a political propaganda for the election and not a real issue for swiss.

Last thing, i am positive (from contact with many swiss) that the majority of swiss aren't buying this Minaret forbidding initiative, maybe that is why the majority of muslim community in switzerland are silent!
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Re: Mosques with or without Minarette?

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The Swiss Muslim community is better integrated than those in other European countries, but suffers from an "acute perception problem."
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"Minarets are an integral part of mosques, as bell towers are parts of churches."
From Swissinfo today.
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What are you talking about? This is my first post on this issue.
sorry dude I stand by my comment. It's not just this issue. Peruse your previous posts, "Achmed the camel-herder" springs to mind.
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Re: Mosques with or without Minarette?

This morning's 20 Minutes carries a report about a minarette being rescued from the traditional Wil Fasnacht fire.

I'm a little saddened that this underlying message has been brought into the celebrations. I was rather pleased, though, with the pictures in the newspaper itself showing two chaps saving the minarette.

Do people not think of the underlying message they're giving when they include a minarette (or what could be interpreted as one) in the structure to be burned for Fasnacht?
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Re: Mosques with or without Minarette?

They burnt a dummy mosque? Yeah it's silly. Maybe they should include a temple, church and other religious symbols next time
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This morning's 20 Minutes carries a report about a minarette being rescued from the traditional Wil Fasnacht fire.

I'm a little saddened that this underlying message has been brought into the celebrations. I was rather pleased, though, with the pictures in the newspaper itself showing two chaps saving the minarette.

Do people not think of the underlying message they're giving when they include a minarette (or what could be interpreted as one) in the structure to be burned for Fasnacht?
I saw a similar article with the headline, "Muslime verhindern Fasnachtsbrauch" which basicly means "muslims "hinder" Fasnacht celebrations." Going on to say, Due to threats from Muslims the yearly celebrations couldn´t take place. (please excuse my bad translations) I find it provocative and sensational reporting designed to defame and further infuriate muslims. Bad form!
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Re: Mosques with or without Minarette?

Did you actually read the article? They're burning the likeness of a local official in the Catholic church (which is apparently something of an honor) along with what I assume is a Catholic church. The minaret was included in the facade of the town, and after threats, it was removed, and the church and the likeness of the Catholic official were then burned without it. Sounds to me like they actually tried to include the Islamic community in the local traditions.

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They burnt a dummy mosque? Yeah it's silly. Maybe they should include a temple, church and other religious symbols next time
I don't think I even have to ask if you read the article, in that case.

Edit - The guy who's likeness was burned is also the organizer of the christian-islamic outreach group, which is why a church and a mosque were included in the parade float.
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Re: Mosques with or without Minarette?

I don't read German very well so looks like I understood it wrong? So you are saying that everything was going to be included but the mosque alone got removed after complaints? In that photo mosque looks like the only religious building. Based on those images the town must have been tiny as mosque is the only thing that stands out to me Either way I don't care
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I don't read German very well so looks like I understood it wrong? So you are saying that everything was going to be included but the mosque alone got removed after complaints? In that photo mosque looks like the only religious building. Based on those images the town must have been tiny as mosque is the only thing that stands out to me Either way I don't care
Well, there's a church on the left (I'm only assuming its Catholic because the effigy is of the president of a local Catholic organization), and another building on the right (I can't read the writing in the small photo so I have no idea what it is). But yes, everything else was burned after the minarette was removed.

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Re: Mosques with or without Minarette?

Interesting article. I think there's a catholic church, a minaret, probably a restaurant, and a big donation box that can be found in this shape in some churches on the platform, with a question mark on it and this church administrative council in the middle.

Which I translate to this message without further information: Who paid how much for the interreligious dialogue, was it a worthwile investment or did they just eat and drink in the restaurant and does the administrative council maybe take himself too seriously?

Judging by the threats there is some work to be done...
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