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Old 06.10.2009, 22:11
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Who's the sponsor? If it's a bunch of Wahabbis from Saudi Arabia, forget it. If it looks like an office building, why not?
Who tells you that the Wahhabites are sponsoring whatever ? ..... and you did not even say WHAT in your opinion the Wahhabites are sponsoring



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I think she may have misinterpreted you. Which leads me to my next question:

What is the correct collective term for Wahabbis? it's evidently not a bunch.

plural for a Wahhabi ?
English: Wahhabites
German: Wahhabiten
acceptable in both languages: Wahhabi
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Muezzin call to prayer ? None of the Mosques in Western Europe makes such calls to prayer.
An otherwise excellent post, but this point isn't strictly true: I know of at least two mosques in the United Kingdom which broadcast the adhan over loudspeakers to the annoyance of local non-Muslim residents (and there are, no doubt, many, many more).

But since church bells are also inflicted on the whole community whether they like it or not, I don't suppose we have much cause to complain. It only lasts a few minutes, anyway, and is really quite a pretty sound.

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I don't have a problem with minarets. I have more problems with horrors like the Trellick tower in London. That is offensive.

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Re: Mosques with or without Minaret?

Unfortunately, I was not able to read posts, but: There are ONLY 2 minarets... only TWO, I am very shocked, I mean it is very weird that the Swiss trying to make it as a very important question in the daily life.
Firstly, any policy should be appropriate for everybody, it should fit everybody, make everybody happy. So if the minarets will be taken off, there will definitely appear problems.... nothing else to say.
For example Kazakhstan has approximately 107 nationality, to make everybody satisfied, President Nursultan Nazarbayev would not (he understands that the harmony in his country will be destroyed) close churches or ask Christians take off e.g. some of their constructions that makes church a church.
My English is not so good, but hope I was clear.
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Re: Mosques with or without Minaret?

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An otherwise excellent post, but this point isn't strictly true: I know of at least two mosques in the United Kingdom which broadcast the adhan over loudspeakers to the annoyance of local non-Muslim residents (and there are, no doubt, many, many more).

But since church bells are also inflicted on the whole community whether they like it or not, I don't suppose we have much cause to complain. It only lasts a few minutes, anyway, and is really quite a pretty sound.


Such a thing would not be possible in Switzerland, as non-Muslims would call in the police in regard to "Ruhestörung" + "Belästigung" and the Mosque would be condemned to have the call at "Zimmerlautstärke"
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Muezzin call to prayer ? None of the Mosques in Western Europe makes such calls to prayer.
This is blatantly untrue. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...=1151003209000

I come from Luton, a town changed beyond recognition. We used to have pretty good social cohesion and diversity instead we now have ever increasing division.

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Brilliant article. Thank you!
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Muezzin call to prayer ? None of the Mosques in Western Europe makes such calls to prayer.
Guess I was having aural hallucinations when I've been near mosques in Europe having a call to prayer....
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The SVP is very upset about an air vent coming out of a mosque in Frauenfeld.






source: http://www.20min.ch/news/stgallen/story/11984803
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This is blatantly untrue. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...=1151003209000

I come from Luton, a town changed beyond recognition. We used to have pretty good social cohesion and diversity instead we now have ever increasing division.
I am a bit shocked, first by the Brits accepting these prayer calls, as nobody else in Western Europe would do so.

And second by the bad translation done by the Times, as it is NOT "The Greatest" (al-akbar) but simply "Greater" (God is Greater, just as Ariel washes whiter).

Not so much by the problems between Paki-Brits, who apparently regard themselves as "Brits" and the natives on that "off-Europe" island
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Guess I was having aural hallucinations when I've been near mosques in Europe having a call to prayer....
In most places, yes. But as the inputs above shows, possibly not in some places. Laws in Continental Europe (Napoleonic Law) give non-Muslim people ample right to stop these prayer-calls (Lärmbelästigung).
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Unfortunately, I was not able to read posts, but: There are ONLY 2 minarets... only TWO, I am very shocked, I mean it is very weird that the Swiss trying to make it as a very important question in the daily life.
Firstly, any policy should be appropriate for everybody, it should fit everybody, make everybody happy. So if the minarets will be taken off, there will definitely appear problems.... nothing else to say.
For example Kazakhstan has approximately 107 nationality, to make everybody satisfied, President Nursultan Nazarbayev would not (he understands that the harmony in his country will be destroyed) close churches or ask Christians take off e.g. some of their constructions that makes church a church.
My English is not so good, but hope I was clear.
You let one minaret in... you let them all in. There needs to be a line in the sand... DO NOT CROSS.

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This is blatantly untrue. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...=1151003209000

I come from Luton, a town changed beyond recognition. We used to have pretty good social cohesion and diversity instead we now have ever increasing division.
Scary article and it proves what BNP has been saying all along.

Marriage with cousins (with the resulting retarded offspring), educated muslims saying women are inferior, most immigrants being from the poorest, least educated regions.

WHY does Britain need some peasants from some Pakistani backwater? They do not "do jobs the Brits won't" as some leftist bleat all the time. They set up their own parallel economy.
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Scary article and it proves what BNP has been saying all along.

Marriage with cousins (with the resulting retarded offspring), educated muslims saying women are inferior, most immigrants being from the poorest, least educated regions.

WHY does Britain need some peasants from some Pakistani backwater? They do not "do jobs the Brits won't" as some leftist bleat all the time. They set up their own parallel economy.
  • This thread is not discussing the state of Britain;
  • The BNP can say what they want: They are still a bunch of crypto-socialist morons with an agenda diametrically opposed to what most people in Britain actually want (which is why they never win elections);
  • The people of Britain don't need advice from spoilt, foreign trust fund kids, thank you very much.
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Dude, what is your problem? Why are you constantly posting anti Islam BS? Did one rob you? Were you attacked by one? What is the underlying motive for you constant attacks? Or are you just being a troll?
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Scary article and it proves what BNP has been saying all along.

Marriage with cousins (with the resulting retarded offspring), educated muslims saying women are inferior, most immigrants being from the poorest, least educated regions.

WHY does Britain need some peasants from some Pakistani backwater? They do not "do jobs the Brits won't" as some leftist bleat all the time. They set up their own parallel economy.
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Dude, what is your problem? Why are you constantly posting anti Islam BS? Did one rob you? Were you attacked by one? What is the underlying motive for you constant attacks? Or are you just being a troll?
I don't get it!! Where does all this hatred come from and how far would you take it?
He's still pissed off about Crimea...
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Dude, what is your problem? Why are you constantly posting anti Islam BS? Did one rob you? Were you attacked by one? What is the underlying motive for you constant attacks? Or are you just being a troll?
I don't get it!! Where does all this hatred come from and how far would you take it?
I personally believe that islam is a fascist ideology of hate and it stands against everything I hold dear.

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No. On what is your hate based?
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Dude, what is your problem? Why are you constantly posting anti Islam BS? Did one rob you? Were you attacked by one? What is the underlying motive for you constant attacks? Or are you just being a troll?
I don't get it!! Where does all this hatred come from and how far would you take it?
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