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You have been sprouting this sh1t for years.
Well it's still true. You can pull an ostrich but it's not going to go away.
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In the Arab World, you can find many churches in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Iraq, which means in most of the Arab World. You can find churches in countries like Turkey and Iran (yes, indeed in the I.R.I.). And churchgoers all around, and those churches with towers.
It is true there are Christian churches all over the Middle East. Mostly because Christians have lived all over the Middle East for a couple thousand years.

To be fair, you can only make an equal comparison to the situation in Europe when Christians move to an overwhelmingly Muslim country and want to start building new churches.

It is happening in places like Qatar, and there is exactly the same debate going on.

It's an interesting flipside to the argument in this thread.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle3549158.ece#
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Re: Mosques with or without Minaret?

Untill the islamic countries allow for construction of synagogues, they should be gratefull we allow them to our countries at all.
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Re: Mosques with or without Minaret?

What about this.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
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Do you think a "Christian" football team would have taken a different stance? I fail to see the point you are trying to make with that link. What does it have to do with mosques and minarets?
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I got one too.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=4818,2876233

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Do you think a "Christian" football team would have taken a different stance? I fail to see the point you are trying to make with that link. What does it have to do with mosques and minarets?
It has to do with islam.
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That's reprehensible. Why are you changing the subject though?
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Just pulling stuff out of my a#*e. Thought that was the trend.
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That's reprehensible. Why are you changing the subject though?
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This is blatantly untrue. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...=1151003209000

I come from Luton, a town changed beyond recognition. We used to have pretty good social cohesion and diversity instead we now have ever increasing division.
The following quote from the above source hits the nail on the head (no mention of Maseratis, but take it as given):

"The perception of “no-go” districts, moreover, is as much a result of contrasting lifestyles as deliberate exclusion. “In mosques after prayers,” the Muslim author Ed Husain tells me, “many of my Muslim friends ask what we are supposed to integrate into. Big Brother lifestyle? Ladette culture? Binge-drinking? Gambling? When the centre of social life in modern Britain is the local pub, where do Muslims fit in?”
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The following quote from the above source hits the nail on the head (no mention of Maseratis, but take it as given):

"The perception of “no-go” districts, moreover, is as much a result of contrasting lifestyles as deliberate exclusion. “In mosques after prayers,” the Muslim author Ed Husain tells me, “many of my Muslim friends ask what we are supposed to integrate into. Big Brother lifestyle? Ladette culture? Binge-drinking? Gambling? When the centre of social life in modern Britain is the local pub, where do Muslims fit in?”
Then don't come to Britain if the actual idea of the pub is repulsive. Stay in Pakistan.

P.S. A man in Saudi Arabia was sentenced to 5 years in jail and 1000 lashes for talking about sex on TV.

Coming soon to Britain.
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What I say is not hate speech, you are not the one to jusge what is... and you really need to read "1984".

I'd say that Westerners should probably take a trip to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to hear the REAL hate speech and maybe gain an appreciation of free speech.
Whenever you are not aware of it, Pakistan is a country with a democratically elected parliament and government, and with freedom of speech.

And Russian ? Yes, in space, but of course also on each Vodka bottle as "Vodka" is Russian. But Russian as a foreign language for non-Russian speakers has heavily receded since 1990. And while Russian was "official language" in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan and Kyrgizstan, it in the meantime has been replaced by the national languages there. And in most of these former USSR areas, English is the first foreign language. In former Eastern Block countries like Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary etc, Russian as important foreign language has been replaced by English and German.

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Just a discussion of islam sends you into a frenzy. How can a woman of all people even defend that misogynist little superstition. You are no more then a domestic animal in islam.
Talking like Muammar al-Khaddafi is not exactly showing heaps of wisdom. And no, the Koran demands that the women are protected and revered. That the ideas you can find in old scripts like the one of Zarathustra, the two parts of the Bible and in the Koran reflect the general mentality of those times is clear, and that modern people do not take everything literally (fundamentalist-ically) also.


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It is true there are Christian churches all over the Middle East. Mostly because Christians have lived all over the Middle East for a couple thousand years.

To be fair, you can only make an equal comparison to the situation in Europe when Christians move to an overwhelmingly Muslim country and want to start building new churches.

It is happening in places like Qatar, and there is exactly the same debate going on.

It's an interesting flipside to the argument in this thread.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...le3549158.ece#
New churches are built in countries like Egypt, Syria and Jordan. The only problem in Egypt was the height of the churchtowers, where each Imam and each Pastor tried to build something higher. So that President Mubarak pushed a new law through parliament which decrees that new "houses of God" can have towers as high as the highest already existing one but not higher.


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Untill the islamic countries allow for construction of synagogues, they should be gratefull we allow them to our countries at all.
There are synagogues in many Arab countries, and even operational ones. Beside the point that Western Europe is NOT the Jewish homeland.


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It has to do with islam.
No, it has NOT to do with Islam, but with strictly religious and conservative people. You can find that as well in Christian Southern Europe, and elsewhere.

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Our planet is an insignificant spec in the vastness of the Cosmos. An Englishman might have been the first to penetrate into Congo and bring the "sharp end" of British culture to the bare backs of the savages, but we were the first to enter the Space Age.
You might at least abstain from mis-using the memory of great Yuri Gagarin. Beside the point that Baikonur is not in Russia ...
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Wow, what a thread. I spent some time when I was younger exploring religion and the various incarnations of it. Travelled the world. Met a yogi living in a hut in India (tryed to sell me some pot). His words stuck in my mind:

Humans invented religion, not God.
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Whenever you are not aware of it, Pakistan is a country with a democratically elected parliament and government, and with freedom of speech.

And Russian ? Yes, in space, but of course also on each Vodka bottle as "Vodka" is Russian. But Russian as a foreign language for non-Russian speakers has heavily receded since 1990. And while Russian was "official language" in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan and Kyrgizstan, it in the meantime has been replaced by the national languages there. And in most of these former USSR areas, English is the first foreign language. In former Eastern Block countries like Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary etc, Russian as important foreign language has been replaced by English and German.

Sorry to spoil the joy by bringing up some reality






Talking like Muammar al-Khaddafi is not exactly showing heaps of wisdom. And no, the Koran demands that the women are protected and revered. That the ideas you can find in old scripts like the one of Zarathustra, the two parts of the Bible and in the Koran reflect the general mentality of those times is clear, and that modern people do not take everything literally (fundamentalist-ically) also.




New churches are built in countries like Egypt, Syria and Jordan. The only problem in Egypt was the height of the churchtowers, where each Imam and each Pastor tried to build something higher. So that President Mubarak pushed a new law through parliament which decrees that new "houses of God" can have towers as high as the highest already existing one but not higher.




There are synagogues in many Arab countries, and even operational ones. Beside the point that Western Europe is NOT the Jewish homeland.




No, it has NOT to do with Islam, but with strictly religious and conservative people. You can find that as well in Christian Southern Europe, and elsewhere.
Pakistan is anything but democratic.
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Pakistan is anything but democratic.
you can look things up under
www.na.gov.pk
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www.pak.gov.pk/structure_government.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakista...election,_2008

that President Musharraf was not democratic is clear, but the present government is the result of democratic parliamentary elections
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P.S. A man in Saudi Arabia was sentenced to 5 years in jail and 1000 lashes for talking about sex on TV.

Coming soon to Britain.
Maybe I'll move back there after all, then...
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Wow, what a thread. I spent some time when I was younger exploring religion and the various incarnations of it. Travelled the world. Met a yogi living in a hut in India (tryed to sell me some pot). His words stuck in my mind:

Humans invented religion, not God.
Nice. How was it? You did buy some, right? I love Yogi!

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Back to where, Saudi or Britain?
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you can look things up under
www.na.gov.pk
www.pakistanconstitution_law.com/theconst_1973.asp
www.pak.gov.pk/structure_government.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakista...election,_2008

that President Musharraf was not democratic is clear, but the present government is the result of democratic parliamentary elections
Stalin's constitution was one of the most "liberal" ever and he was being elected too. Oh and Iran is a democracy too.
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