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Well strange things do happen! At least we have only got the estimated 85 sharia courts in the UK so far. What happened to that one law for all principle?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...as-report.html

Since you clearly don't have any books in your house, here's a map from the internet. It's not exhaustive, but it'll do for now.

What on earth are you on about? I think Islam is very silly, as I explained earlier in this thread, if you could be bothered to actually read it properly.

Is that relevant?

I think this's simply a non-issue. But it's been turned to a big issue. Who cared about ninarets before now? Yet we find oursleves talking and voting about it. That's what SVP wants.

Switzerland is a peaceful and neutral country that most people don't even know much about the country's religion. With all this, I'm just afraid that the extremists could start to watch events in the country.

And if with the voting, it's accepted that minarets shouldn't be built on mosques, I just hope we won't start to look over our shoulders because of extremists while walking around Zurich!!!

You possibly now have become guilty of the crime of "Ruhestörung" as DB now may break out into such laughters that it can be heard at Paradeplatz !

Well, if the government of the United Kingdom is stupid enough to allow shariah courts to be set up, that's their look out.

Actually I do not believe that islam had lost in Southern "Europe" if you just look at Germany, England and France total population close to 10 million maybe ???
in Bosnia, part of Crotia, Albania, Kosovo many muslims again...
Only in Germany there are over 4 million Turks, in France many northern africans, in England Pakistanies etc....

Turkey still has 75 million Muslims who are trying to get into the EU. To you that has no relevance to this discussion.

According to you, Turkey with 75 Million Muslims but is no longer Muslim territory.

To you, 1.7 Billion Muslims are not significant.

I don't live in your world. Few people do.

Well only 1.7 Billion people.

And do they rule those countries?

Do they control the armies of those countries?

Do they control the navies of those countries?

Do they control the air forces of those countries?

Do they control the nuclear weapons of those countries?

Do they control the economies of those countries?

Do they control the governments of those countries?

They have no power in any meaningful sense whatsoever.

There's no need to shout, dear.

Turkey is a secular state, and has been since 1922. The government is kept in check by a secular army which routinely steps in and sorts things out when governments get out of hand. If you knew anything at all about Turkey, I wouldn't have to repeat this. Turkey is not an Islamic country. The fact that the vast majority of the population are Muslims (not Wahhabites, if that's any reassurance, but I doubt you'd understand the significance) does not mean that it is an Islamic country. It is a secular state.

That bilge about the EU is irrelevant to this discussion. I haven't a clue what your point is.

As for your weak grasp of numbers, I'll repeat again: For every Muslim in the world, there are three non-Muslims.

But they would like to (something to do with things Allah and the Koran have told them...) and if present trends continue they will dominate in the future.

Do you think the native population will lie back and let that happen?

Do you welcome blood on the streets Europe so readily or do you welcome Muslim domination?

Do you expect anyone, even Muslims, to take your assertion seriously?

Like what...

This is Turkey, Earth, the Solar System we are talking about?

Some of them would like to, no doubt. But I suspect that most of them would just like to be left alone to work and bring their children up and crash out on the sofa. You know, like everyone else does...

Dunno. It's up to them, isn't it?

Hmmm... let me think about that.... oh hang on, I'll take the third choice: Live and let live.

Most Muslim countries (countries with Muslim majorities) are more or less secularist and not "islamist".

Yes the government allowed them and the population have been railroaded into having to accept a fundament change to their society without having any say in the matter.

The Swiss can at least vote on these issues.

Well, that's the one I'm talking about.

Not sure about you, though.

I suspect you might be living in an alternative reality, where the Sultan is still the Caliph, Ottoman troops are kidnapping young boys in the mountains of Serbia, and there are drowned concubines bobbing down the Bosphorus in hessian sacks...

Like Turkey?

My goodness! He's catching up!

We are in the midst of a talk about terms and wordings. A country with a Muslim majority is a Muslim country. "Islamist" is a country where Sharia law is fully applied, like the KSA and Sudan. Countries like Oman, the UAE, Qatar and Bahrain, where there is a mix of Sharia Law with Civil Law are definitely not Islamist, whenever for sure Muslim. Turkey is a Muslim country. But just as Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Albania, Bosnia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and others a secularist country with the Civil Law in force

My reality consists of recognising Turkey as being a Muslim country (75 Million Muslims can't be wrong).

Yours consists of try to assert that a country with 75 million Muslims (approaching 100% of the population - it used to be 100% Christian) isn't a Muslim country.


Strange that.



Is that a big piece of wool you are trying to pull over people's eyes?


I wonder why.

Thank you for admitting that.