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Old 15.10.2009, 23:54
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Although I love living in Switzerland, I do feel a bit ashamed of these posters. Like it's a slur on my choice of adopted country. I'm glad I have the possibility to vote. F**k you Scaredy cat SVP!
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If you're scared of Muslims, people, please just say so, rather than come up with a bunch of side shows.
I am scared, and I have genuinely thought twice about posting this. Watching groups of extremists celebrating 9/11, near where you live, and watching the same group intimidate individuals, you learn very quickly for extremists it is about domination and symbolism. For me, the symbolism of the twin towers being brought down and minarets going up just won't go away.

Yes, Christian church spires can serve the same domination purpose. I'd vote for a ban on any more of those too, so that all sides can feel they have been treated impartially. This country has lots of strange rules keeping people in their place, but one new rule, banning spires and minarets, would only affect groups, and would protect the individuals.
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Old 16.10.2009, 00:35
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Re: Mosques with or without Minaret?

The Twin Towers and subsequent events had nothing to do with Muslims or Islam. I don't see the link.

I'm seriously thinking of arranging an EF social event with an Immam where we can put these concerns to an authority and satisfy the worried minds.

Would there be interest in a meeting over tea and baklava in a Mosque?
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The newspaper Le Temps has published a nice set of pictures on Islam in Switzerland.

http://www.letemps.ch/Page/Uuid/10fd...slam_en_Suisse

It feels so threatening

This initiative is really sad. It really does not jibe with the image of neutrality and tolerance we would like to project.
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What is so "obvious" about me? .....I`m talking tolerance and acceptance of every religion.

Are people afraid of other religions?

Do special shaped buildings endow improved God communication?

I still would like to know what is SO special about a Minaret tower? Is it not comparable to a Spire?

WHY is this Minaret issue becoming SO important?

Is the final usage of a Minaret so that it can be fitted with loudspeakers facing all directions so everyone within hearing distance can hear the Muslim call to prayer? The fact that it is a tower .... well so are spires .... and can be used for the purpose - innit?

Well, a very high pole would serve the same purpose, wouldn`t it? Unless there is something "holy" about a minaret?

Tis not the city outline then that is the issue, or the shape, but the height for conveying sound over vast distances.

According to the interview in the article, a minaret is used as a landmark for those who are looking for the mosque to more easily find it.

What's wrong with that? Why couldn't we tolerate them if we can tolerate these:

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I am scared, and I have genuinely thought twice about posting this. Watching groups of extremists celebrating 9/11, near where you live, and watching the same group intimidate individuals, you learn very quickly for extremists it is about domination and symbolism. For me, the symbolism of the twin towers being brought down and minarets going up just won't go away.

Yes, Christian church spires can serve the same domination purpose. I'd vote for a ban on any more of those too, so that all sides can feel they have been treated impartially. This country has lots of strange rules keeping people in their place, but one new rule, banning spires and minarets, would only affect groups, and would protect the individuals.
It would NOT protect individuals. As there is no threat from minarets.




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I feel threatened by these signs, and may have to launch an initiative to ban them.
Anybody to finance the campaign ?
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It would NOT protect individuals. As there is no threat from minarets.
Must be penis envy. It's amazing how many men reveal their insecurities to the public. Wonder if there is a correlation between driving fancy sports cars and fear of minarets.
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The Twin Towers and subsequent events had nothing to do with Muslims or Islam. I don't see the link.
Thats news !!!!
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I feel threatened by these signs, and may have to launch an initiative to ban them.
Anybody to finance the campaign ?
Burger King might be happy to finance your campaign.

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I'm seriously thinking of arranging an EF social event with an Immam where we can put these concerns to an authority and satisfy the worried minds.

Would there be interest in a meeting over tea and baklava in a Mosque?
I'd be well up for that! Never been in a mosque though (there aren't too many where I come from) so hope he would be patient with me probably stopping inside the door to gawk.
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Thats news !!!!
No it's not. Terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. It may be considered some vague justification by Nutter Clerics, but no Muslim I know has anything but revulsion for what happened. Muslims died on 9/11 too, you know.

Or are you insinuating Islam caused 9/11? OH FFS, I don't want to even start that discussion...

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I'd be well up for that! Never been in a mosque though (there aren't too many where I come from) so hope he would be patient with me probably stopping inside the door to gawk.
I think it'd open a few eyes but wonder if those eyes would be willing to see. I'd like to challenge a few assumptions on here, though I doubt those in opposition to the concept of minarets would deign to address the issue with an actual Muslim... Internet anonymity is too seducing.
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The Twin Towers and subsequent events had nothing to do with Muslims or Islam. I don't see the link.

I'm seriously thinking of arranging an EF social event with an Immam where we can put these concerns to an authority and satisfy the worried minds.

Would there be interest in a meeting over tea and baklava in a Mosque?
It's true. Bin Laden is a Seventh Day Adventist and did not use the quaran as his inspirtation but rather Dianetics. The 19 hijackers were all militant vegans/greens targeting a symbol of enviromental polution and capitalism.
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No it's not. Terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. It may be considered some vague justification by Nutter Clerics, but no Muslim I know has anything but revulsion for what happened. Muslims died on 9/11 too, you know.

Or are you insinuating Islam caused 9/11? OH FFS, I don't want to even start that discussion...



I think it'd open a few eyes but wonder if those eyes would be willing to see. I'd like to challenge a few assumptions on here, though I doubt those in opposition to the concept of minarets would deign to address the issue with an actual Muslim... Internet anonymity is too seducing.
Stalin and Mao had nothing to do with communism. They were actually agents of capitalism trying to discredit communism, hence Stalin ordered the killing of Trotsky. True communism is very humanistic and repects individual's rights.
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It's true. Bin Laden is a Seventh Day Adventist and did not use the quaran as his inspirtation but rather Dianetics. The 19 hijackers were all militant vegans/greens targeting a symbol of enviromental polution and capitalism.
Ha ha, so fuuuuuuunny

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Ha ha, so fuuuuuuunny

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You fall into the trap that EVERY religious person (and ESPECIALLY fanatics) falls into. They automatically assume that THEIR interpretation of holy books and voices in the head is correct and others are automatically wrong.
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You fall into the trap that EVERY religious person (and ESPECIALLY fanatics) falls into. They automatically assume that THEIR interpretation of holy books and voices in the head is correct and others are automatically wrong.
I'm not religious mate, but if I'm going to spend my time posting on this hot topic I'll do so in support of a minority who undeservedly gets the shtty end of the stick almost 100% of the time. Nothing what so ever to do with religion. I don't fall into a trap because there is no trap. I find this topic quite boring but at least try to offer something.

So do you have an opinion concerning the right of people to build minarets?
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It would NOT protect individuals. As there is no threat from minarets.
they might fall over. that'd be a danger.
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