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You misrepresented me and I'd accept an apology. You're not obliged if you're not confident enough. I'm not waiting nor expecting.

Can you, too, explain what your quoted post means?
It's certainly easier to interpret than the Koran.
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Explain this point to me again. Please? Really, I ask you.

As the law stands, it's a right.

You want to ban it.

Bigot.
Muslims are free to practice their religion but not to force it down my throat. Minarets are form of religious advertising and are not required in the practice of islam.

What if... say followers of Rev. Moon decide to build a gigantic statue of him... say 100 meters tall overlooking Zurich and claim they need to worship the statue. Would you allow them?
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Minarets are form of religious advertising and are not required in the practice of islam.
I assume you also object to spires on churches?
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Here's what happens when you don't draw a line in the sand.

http://arras-france.com/the-mandarom...stellane-city/
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I thought someone who claims to be so intelligent would realise that a government doesn't always speak for the people of a country?

Also, I've met enough people from Canada to know that they are not all narrow-minded and ignorant.
The goverment sets the laws. A minority of people can often bend the goverment to it's will over that of the majority (just think of lobby groups in US).
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I assume you also object to spires on churches?
Yes. But they are already built and often have historical value.

Reinforced concrete minarets are not.
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The goverment sets the laws. A minority of people can often bend the goverment to it's will over that of the majority (just think of lobby groups in US).
That's nice, but I can tell you now that the UK government has NOT made it a law that you have fast along with Muslims, so your post has preciesly no use.
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No, in fact it is not - not here. Please read the thread title again, and please stay on topic, folks.
Kinda like insisting on discussing only about complex numbers, but not real numbers; or strictly algebraic topology, no general topology thank you.
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Yes. But they are already built and often have historical value.

Reinforced concrete minarets are not.
Ok, so if a new church was to be built you would object strongly if it had spires?
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as being a muslim

i dont mind mosques have minarets or not, mosque will still be a house of god without a minaret, but i could not understand the need to ban them.

there was a poet who once said

"masjid to bana di pal bhar me iman ki hararat walon ne
dil apna purana papi tha, barson me namazi ban na saka"

trans

"mosques were build by so called muslims in SECONDS
but had the heart that could be a real muslim in centuries"

its not the appearance that should ever matter, i realise the world is being naive and negative towards muslims but this is not the way we should reply to this world this is what our religion teaches us to do.
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The 1st category (Uncle Max, DB etc.) tacitly subscribe to the beliefs that "all beliefs are equal", and that people are entitled to basic civil liberties e.g. freedom of belief, freedom of expression.
Did you read anything we said?

Yes I believe in civil liberties and freedom of belief and expression. It's funny that you argue against the evil Islamic monster and deride islamic nations for not having exactly these but then deride us for defending it. You're such a hypocrite it is amazing: you want equal rights in Islamic lands but you don't want them here. Which can only mean you are a true bigot at heart, contradicting yourself at every step in order to defend the indefensible.

As for the former, nowhere did any of us defend the tenets of Islam. Either just making the **** up since you have nothing to argue against or unable to intellectually separate these completely unrelated issues. As is clear from my posts elsewhere, I in fact think most aspects of religion and especially the spooky superstitions of the Abrahamic varieties are ridiculous. But we all have our crazy ideas, and I don't believe in hounding and segregating and discriminating based on this.

On a discussion of science vs religion, you will find me on the side of science. On the discussion of letting people be, letting them live their beliefs and dreams where it doesnt interfere with mine, building community rather than acting tribal, listening to people rather than spouting made-up **** spewed by fascists, accepting innocent people rather than denigrating and pre0judging them, you will find me on the side of the former.

I am happy to live side-by-side with people I strongly disagree with on intellectual matters, political matters, religious matters, and so on. Just look at recent history to see what happens otherwise. Here in the heart of Europe, we know exactly what happens otherwise. It wasn't that long ago.
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It starts small, first the uniform rules are relaxed and tubans can be worn instead of helmets, then SOME students are allowed to carry knives to school, then pork is banned in Goverment institutions, then swimming pools are segregated, then your secular daughter decides to wear a veil because the boys and girls at school call her a whore ... untill one day you pack your things and leave for another country.

Well... I don't want to move anywhere (rethorically). Adapt or go back to your country.
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That's nice, but I can tell you now that the UK government has NOT made it a law that you have fast along with Muslims, so your post has preciesly no use.
Ahh, but they don't have to. When your promotion is coming up and it's ramadan... will you rock the boat if it's "suggested" that you "can" also fast? That really HAS happened in Britain and some people commented that they felt it was an offer they couldn't refuse.
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Ok, so if a new church was to be built you would object strongly if it had spires?
I would. Besides most modern churches look like office buildings.
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as being a muslim

i dont mind mosques have minarets or not, mosque will still be a house of god without a minaret, but i could not understand the need to ban them.

there was a poet who once said

"masjid to bana di pal bhar me iman ki hararat walon ne
dil apna purana papi tha, barson me namazi ban na saka"

trans

"mosques were build by so called muslims in SECONDS
but had the heart that could be a real muslim in centuries"

its not the appearance that should ever matter, i realise the world is being naive and negative towards muslims but this is not the way we should reply to this world this is what our religion teaches us to do.

Ok... so I can erect a 100 foot cross in the backyard of my Kuwaiti summer house?
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Did you read anything we said?

Yes I believe in civil liberties and freedom of belief and expression. It's funny that you argue against the evil Islamic monster and deride islamic nations for not having exactly these but then deride us for defending it. You're such a hypocrite it is amazing: you want equal rights in Islamic lands but you don't want them here. Which can only mean you are a true bigot at heart, contradicting yourself at every step in order to defend the indefensible.

As for the former, nowhere did any of us defend the tenets of Islam. Either just making the **** up since you have nothing to argue against or unable to intellectually separate these completely unrelated issues. As is clear from my posts elsewhere, I in fact think most aspects of religion and especially the spooky superstitions of the Abrahamic varieties are ridiculous. But we all have our crazy ideas, and I don't believe in hounding and segregating and discriminating based on this.

On a discussion of science vs religion, you will find me on the side of science. On the discussion of letting people be, letting them live their beliefs and dreams where it doesnt interfere with mine, building community rather than acting tribal, listening to people rather than spouting made-up **** spewed by fascists, accepting innocent people rather than denigrating and pre0judging them, you will find me on the side of the former.

I am happy to live side-by-side with people I strongly disagree with on intellectual matters, political matters, religious matters, and so on. Just look at recent history to see what happens otherwise. Here in the heart of Europe, we know exactly what happens otherwise. It wasn't that long ago.
Coming from somebody who says he believes in democracy but thinks that BNP should not be allowed to be heard that's rich.

(I don't mean you personally but the pro-minaret crowd.)
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Kinda like insisting on discussing only about complex numbers, but not real numbers; or strictly algebraic topology, no general topology thank you.
I think you meant the other way around. Man, you can't even get this right.

Given that real numbers are a subset of complex numbers, if I were to discuss complex numbers I would by definition be discussing real numbers.

The comparison is ridiculous regardless, in both cases. Throwing around fancy math incorrectly will only make you look even more silly, especially in front of mathematicians and physicists.
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Ok... so I can erect a 100 foot cross in the backyard of my Kuwaiti summer house?
you can also have a 1000 foot cross in back of your a$.$

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Did you read anything we said?

Yes I believe in civil liberties and freedom of belief and expression. It's funny that you argue against the evil Islamic monster and deride islamic nations for not having exactly these but then deride us for defending it. You're such a hypocrite it is amazing: you want equal rights in Islamic lands but you don't want them here. Which can only mean you are a true bigot at heart, contradicting yourself at every step in order to defend the indefensible.

As for the former, nowhere did any of us defend the tenets of Islam. Either just making the **** up since you have nothing to argue against or unable to intellectually separate these completely unrelated issues. As is clear from my posts elsewhere, I in fact think most aspects of religion and especially the spooky superstitions of the Abrahamic varieties are ridiculous. But we all have our crazy ideas, and I don't believe in hounding and segregating and discriminating based on this.

On a discussion of science vs religion, you will find me on the side of science. On the discussion of letting people be, letting them live their beliefs and dreams where it doesnt interfere with mine, building community rather than acting tribal, listening to people rather than spouting made-up **** spewed by fascists, accepting innocent people rather than denigrating and pre0judging them, you will find me on the side of the former.

I am happy to live side-by-side with people I strongly disagree with on intellectual matters, political matters, religious matters, and so on. Just look at recent history to see what happens otherwise. Here in the heart of Europe, we know exactly what happens otherwise. It wasn't that long ago.
Heh, getting all worked-up. Seems that my point just flew over your head.

I too want peaceful co-existence, but I would be worried if a growing number of people are unwilling to co-exist peacefully and ready to threaten my liberties.

Would you ban communism and Nazi ideology? It's a tricky question. It is impossible to have peaceful co-existence with those who do not respect individual rights and property rights.
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