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Old 15.01.2012, 20:13
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Re: Dad killed daughter in brutal axe murder

Call it what you will, there is nothing "honorable" about it.

It's about as honorable as urinating on dead bodies (less, actually).

Calling it an "honor crime" is supporting the evil scum who commit such acts.

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Old 15.01.2012, 20:17
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Call it what you will, there is nothing "honorable" about it.

It's about as honorable as urinating on dead bodies (less, actually).

Calling it an "honor crime" is supporting the evil scum who commit such acts.

Tom
I agree with you totally. I am not the one who called and named it like this. Who took the decision to give that name in French and other language I don't know. But I would guess it is because it is related to what the murder call the reason for that crime. To wash their "honor". As sick as it is.
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Re: Dad killed daughter in brutal axe murder

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Calling it an "honor crime" is supporting the evil scum who commit such acts.
Why?

The term is often written within quotation marks precisely because of the point Nil makes above.
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Old 15.01.2012, 22:09
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Apparently in some cultures, the brutal, violent murder of one your offspring is less dishonourable than, e.g. having a Christian boyfriend. Until that mindset changes for millions of people, this kind of thing will continue to happen.

She should have gone to the police when he tried to electrocute him. At least there are laws here to protect people from this kind of vile cultural practice.
Here now under accusation by court is not what may be honourable or dishonourable somewhere but simply a 53 years old killer who committed premeditated murder. I only hope they do not go down to "Totschlag im Affekt" but regard it as what it was, and that is "Vorsätzlicher Mord".

Here above mentioned is of course the accusation of the Attorney of State for the Proscecution but neither the plea of the lawyer of the defence nor the verdict of the court.

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I hope that you are only referring to English speaking western countries. Because in German, it's Ehrenmord and in French crime d'honneur (as far as I can remember, also Norwegian: æresdrap/æremord, Danish æresdrab, Dutch erenmoord). The reason given for these crimes is as bad a reason can be for a crime, nevertheless it's the one they claim to have for them. Hence the name.

But it may be totally different in the English language, no problem.
"Ehrenmord" may be a term in Germany, but here in Switzerland it either is Mord or Totschlag. A cousin of me who is lawyer for the defence in such a case would go for "Totschlag im Affekt" even if feeling personally for "geplanter Mord", and in view of his convincing capability would succeed to reduce the sentence from life-imprisonment to 10 or 15 years (only)

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Why?

The term is often written within quotation marks precisely because of the point Nil makes above.

AND, the term of "honour crime" is not a legal title at all. It therefore is used in the media, but in justice only in "quotation marks". And this applies to most countries on earth including countries where it happens a bit more often than over here. There is a very small number of countries where it is seen differently.

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"Ehrenmord" may be a term in Germany, but here in Switzerland...
.... it's the same.

You mix up juridical concepts (Mord, Totschlag) and general public vocabulary (Ehrenmord). Which is strange because you don't mix them up in your answer to Karenin. Of course there is no Ehrenmord in German/Swiss law books!! Duh!

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.... it's the same.

You mix up juridical concepts (Mord, Totschlag) and general public vocabulary (Ehrenmord). Of course there is no Ehrenmord in German/Swiss law books!! Duh!
If so we agree. EXCEPT that I even oppose to the media accepting the term directly or indirectly as they should simply abstain from taking over the term

Quite to the contrary, the lawyer for the defence will carefully abstain from this term, but emphasize that the father simply was in a fit of fury about the whole affair and had .... etc ... etc ... AND if he succeeds in this will get the sentence down by many years
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Re: Dad killed daughter in brutal axe murder

Well, like it or not, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing the term exists. Note the Human Rights Watch definition.

If "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet", an abomination remains an abomination whatever it is called.
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