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Old 22.01.2012, 19:34
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Not that I remember, no. And if they did, then not in such a "skanky" manner, otherwise I would have remembered.

Of course shoplifting is not acceptable but some countries/people seem to think that you are fair game if you are Swiss, since EVERYONE here is rich AND the worst that can happen to you if you get caught is land in a jail where you have a clean cell, television and three square meals a day.
Do you mind if you were to describe "skanky"? It does amuse me the poor lines some of my male brothern come up with. And which of mine I should stop using.
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Old 22.01.2012, 19:46
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...And since I speak fluent French including all the insults, I inform the tw@ts who think it's ok to randomly take my hand and start stroking it while they spout some rubbish about angels and sunshine about my opinion. They are so fact resistant that all they tend to take away from what I just said is that I speak French, wahey. Or they start telling me some sob story about how hard it is here. Well, clearly some place else is worse, otherwise you'd be THERE.
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Because I find myself crossing to the other side of the street when I see a man from the African continent approaching. I wish I could stop doing that, as I'm sure a few of those men had no intention of hassling me but notice that I'm doing it and are offended by it. But almost every time I DON'T cross the road, the dreaded "hey, beautiful, wanna be my friend / mademoiselle, vous savez où ce trouve.... ah, vous parlez français!" Spiel starts. Or you get appraisingly looked up and down, followed by some disgusting lip smacking noise / exaggerated lip licking or similar. I want my freedom back too...
See above...
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Old 22.01.2012, 19:49
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See above...
Oh I did read those. They are like children in a candy store.
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Old 23.01.2012, 19:21
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you want us to believe this actually happened?
I really have no vital all consuming interest in whether anyone believes what I wrote, or not. It happened. I found it interesting. So I related what I had witnessed. Simple.

But you could try going into a Swiss bank, tell them you`re from Nigeria (oh yes, that was where these two handsome gentlemen were from - I heard that ..... `strooth I did, loud and clear) ..... so you say you`re from Nigeria (or you could probably also use Libya, or Iran?) .... and tell them you have a wad of cash and need to open a bank account? Then come back here and tell us what they said, okay?
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Old 23.01.2012, 20:59
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So, I did not infer shoplifting was a cultural thing. Unless of course you weren't talking to me at all.
no, it was just a general remark...
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Old 23.01.2012, 22:24
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I really have no vital all consuming interest in whether anyone believes what I wrote, or not. It happened. I found it interesting. So I related what I had witnessed. Simple.

But you could try going into a Swiss bank, tell them you`re from Nigeria (oh yes, that was where these two handsome gentlemen were from - I heard that ..... `strooth I did, loud and clear) ..... so you say you`re from Nigeria (or you could probably also use Libya, or Iran?) .... and tell them you have a wad of cash and need to open a bank account? Then come back here and tell us what they said, okay?
I think they would tell me really not so interesting cause almost all of what anyone does in the bank is un interesting. Oh, you meant would be there huge rush of racism against them because they have color and want to open an account? That sounds very bizarre to me.
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Old 24.01.2012, 03:15
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I think we are far from the OP, which was about shoplifting
Actually, I think we are surprisingly close to the OP.

We are complaining about people from other countries shoplifting in our countries and yet what are our countries doing in their countries.

I don't think anyone has a right to moral outrage until their country stops perpetrating outrages on other countries, whether by proxy or directly. Saying that we only supply the plane, a centrifuge, just the control circuitry for bombs, etc., etc. is a cop out and yet we take umbrage at the idea that some tiny minority of auslanders might show up on our shores and do something that proportionally speaking is much less egregious.

Having said all of this, I do agree that the trouble makers should be dealt with harshly as is ethical if for no other reason than to ensure that the majority of people who really have problems and reason to be in our countries are left to have the best lives that they can fashion for themselves. After all it would be wasteful to expend all of the effort to protect and assist the refugees to our parts of the world, if so much damage is being done to these newly formed immigrant communities by such a tiny group of unfortunate losers. We just need to keep things in perspective.

I think that most reasonable people when they take a deep breath and think carefully agree that we all want what is best for the refugees and their newly adopted countries. The sooner they are able to integrate and get on with their lives the better off we will all be.
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Old 24.01.2012, 11:16
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Actually, I think we are surprisingly close to the OP.

We are complaining about people from other countries shoplifting in our countries and yet what are our countries doing in their countries.

I don't think anyone has a right to moral outrage until their country stops perpetrating outrages on other countries, whether by proxy or directly. Saying that we only supply the plane, a centrifuge, just the control circuitry for bombs, etc., etc. is a cop out and yet we take umbrage at the idea that some tiny minority of auslanders might show up on our shores and do something that proportionally speaking is much less egregious.

Having said all of this, I do agree that the trouble makers should be dealt with harshly as is ethical if for no other reason than to ensure that the majority of people who really have problems and reason to be in our countries are left to have the best lives that they can fashion for themselves. After all it would be wasteful to expend all of the effort to protect and assist the refugees to our parts of the world, if so much damage is being done to these newly formed immigrant communities by such a tiny group of unfortunate losers. We just need to keep things in perspective.

I think that most reasonable people when they take a deep breath and think carefully agree that we all want what is best for the refugees and their newly adopted countries. The sooner they are able to integrate and get on with their lives the better off we will all be.

with all due respect i dont think the above bolded text of your post is fair.

im from the US, which over the last 10 years (easily) probably for much longer (debateable, but ill hear it) has been, to directly translate a german expression, "building sh!t" all over the planet. Most of it is not done with my permission, in my name, or has anything directly to do with me. I was not a supporter of the iraq invasion, for example.

By this logic, what youre saying is because my govt is doing horrble things around the world, this invalidates my right to complain about or be free from hassling from iraqis, for example? This logic doesnt jive with me.

We have as citizens of our countries "collective responsibilities" for what our countries do in our names, yes. But we have "personal rights" which are a closer circle around our lives that what our country's govt does.
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Old 24.01.2012, 12:05
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We are complaining about people from other countries shoplifting in our countries and yet what are our countries doing in their countries.
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There is elegant shoplifting and there is vulgar shoplifting.
How do we differentiate them? Easy
- elegant shoplifting: huge volumes taken, almost unnoticed, has the taste and appearance of legitimacy, a certain latency (i.e you feel f@cked-up a few months-years later). Difficult to punish and track, well connected with super powers behind the scene.

- vulgar shoplifting: small volumes, immediately noticed, clearly not legit, no latency for emotional reaction, easy to punish by scapegoating.

Examples of vulgar shoplifting: north-african in the swiss jungle trees called Migros-baobab or coopaobab. generally is in rags.

Example of elegant shoplifting: consultant at Inter. health Organization recommending to buy large amounts of H1N1 vaccin while working for the very same vaccin-pharma producers. Other examples are in banking industry. generally wears suits.
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Old 24.01.2012, 17:49
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with all due respect i dont think the above bolded text of your post is fair.

im from the US, which over the last 10 years (easily) probably for much longer (debateable, but ill hear it) has been, to directly translate a german expression, "building sh!t" all over the planet. Most of it is not done with my permission, in my name, or has anything directly to do with me. I was not a supporter of the iraq invasion, for example.

By this logic, what youre saying is because my govt is doing horrble things around the world, this invalidates my right to complain about or be free from hassling from iraqis, for example? This logic doesnt jive with me.

We have as citizens of our countries "collective responsibilities" for what our countries do in our names, yes. But we have "personal rights" which are a closer circle around our lives that what our country's govt does.
You have the right to complain, but e.g. if US invades a country and bombs it back to the stone ages, and its people flees to e.g. US , and starts to hassle US citizens, maybe you should aim your complains towards the US government...
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Old 24.01.2012, 18:39
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You have the right to complain, but e.g. if US invades a country and bombs it back to the stone ages, and its people flees to e.g. US , and starts to hassle US citizens, maybe you should aim your complains towards the US government...
Did Switzerland bomb Tunisia? I must have missed the news on that day.
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Old 24.01.2012, 20:09
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Did Switzerland bomb Tunisia? I must have missed the news on that day.
...wow did you get that out my respond...? really...try again

no Switzerland "just" hosted blood money from Tunisian ex-dictator, indirectly supported crimes against human rights....suck it up!!!!

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/specials...l?cid=31537562
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...wow did you get that out my respond...? really...try again

no Switzerland "just" hosted blood money from Tunisian ex-dictator, indirectly supported crimes against human rights....suck it up!!!!

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/specials...l?cid=31537562
Switzerland didn't host anything, the article only alleges that the due diligence practices at some banks who are organized under Swiss law were lacking. and even if the Swiss government had assisted the Tunisian regime, it would have no obligation whatsoever to "help" another country's citizen.

a government's only obligation is to its own citizens, and these days most government's are struggling with even THAT. anything beyond that is gravy, and anybody who is not a citizen (me, for example) is here as a matter of privilege, not right.
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anything beyond that is gravy, and anybody who is not a citizen (me, for example) is here as a matter of privilege, not right.
You know that 3rd world countries are poor so we can be rich right?

which means "1st world" countries are obligated to support people from these countries, and which of course we are doing

but saying that people escaping war, poverty/misery, persecution etc that they should be privileged to be here and that you expect to kiss your feet, think again...

it's our duty to take care of these people...and as it is with most people and cultures/countries there are bad eggs, but ridiculous generalization/prejudice will only bring harm to these people...so once again, suck it up fan-boy!
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You know that 3rd world countries are poor so we can be rich right?

which means "1st world" countries are obligated to support people from these countries, and which of course we are doing

but saying that people escaping war, poverty/misery, persecution etc that they should be privileged to be here and that you expect to kiss your feet, think again...

it's our duty to take care of these people...and as it is with most people and cultures/countries there are bad eggs, but ridiculous generalization/prejudice will only bring harm to these people...so once again, suck it up fan-boy!
good luck with this, I'm sure it will serve you well.
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it's our duty to take care of these people...and as it is with most people and cultures/countries there are bad eggs, but ridiculous generalization/prejudice will only bring harm to these people...so once again, suck it up fan-boy!
Fully agree with most of what you wrote but not the ending of this paragraph.

What do you suggest doing to combat problems caused by the refugees?

The government is basically begging communities and even dictating to communities to accept asylum seekers but the Swiss aren't sucking it up , rather they're doing everything possible to prevent new homes.

If they continue to be told to suck it up and have their concerns ignored then they won't. They'll lash out through the SVP who will have an extreme referendum to vent their anger through ready, like in the recent past which will hurt all refugees. Not just the bad eggs
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You have the right to complain, but e.g. if US invades a country and bombs it back to the stone ages, and its people flees to e.g. US , and starts to hassle US citizens, maybe you should aim your complains towards the US government...
so now the government is to blame for the actions of its immigrants? By this logic the Swiss government is now responsible for Tunisians peeing in a police station.

seriously.
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