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Old 18.01.2012, 14:40
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Re: Increased shoplifting due to North African Asylseekers

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Really mixed feelings about this thread, and wondering, what is its purpose?

Just hate stereotyping and all this 'foriner' scare mongering, and yet agree that if statistics are factual, they shouldn't be hidden under the carpet.
Met lots of Tunisians, Morroccans and Senegalese during our recent stay in Tenerife - some really interesting and very intelligent, trying to find a way to a better future, legally if at all possible. I know in my heart of heart that if I lived in a very poor or war torn country with no prospects, I'd be one of the ones who would have the oooomph to up and go - anywhere, to try and find a way to better education, better health care, better prospects.

And yet I know that neither CH, the UK or anywhere else can support all those with ambition from the 'third' world.
And those nice people are having it difficult because of the bad ones from the same countries who come to Barcelona to shoplift and pickpocketed people aka tourists. Last year, a Moroccan was arrested 68 times for pickpockting. Because the law are lacking proper and effective way to stop it, guys like him are still free to do it.

A lot of those problems are been see everywhere, in Canada as well.

We need to keep in mind that it is a small percentage. Too often it turns out to a dirty generalization.
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Old 18.01.2012, 14:42
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Re: Increased shoplifting due to North African Asylseekers

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Dear Hedgehog of Death,

My mates include an employee at a refugee center and a manager at the local Migros. The local newspaper quoted a store detective and the manager of the Refugee Center in Muotathal as both stating local shoplifting has increased, much of it due to asylseekers from North Africa. The statement was also confirmed by a police spokesperson.

But, of course, what do we know? According to you, we're just a bunch of yokels carrying pitchforks who are bigoted and ignorant. You, of course, are not.

As I said - lets base the discussion of facts not hearsay
Based on hearsay everything in brought down to the level of hairdressers tittle-tattle
Store detectives are not normally the best judge of people TBH - failed policemen and securities guards in general ...

I have an aquaintance , who is a doctor/surgeon, and is convinced all black people are sub-human. I personally don't share his views

Can you post links , or better still, crime statistics from the Geminde/Caton/ Country?
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Old 18.01.2012, 14:48
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Re: Increased shoplifting due to North African Asylseekers

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Based on hearsay everything in brought down to the level of hairdressers tittle-tattle

Store detectives are not normally the best judge of people TBH - failed policemen and securities guards in general ...
Impressive contradiction density in successive sentences. Well played sir.
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then again, didnt the SVP pass a law a year or two ago that expels people for crimes if they're ausländer?
You remember that too. So do a lot of people. But the government are dragging their feet on putting it into the statute books. And then they wonder why the SVP is so succesful.
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Re: Increased shoplifting due to North African Asylseekers

Interestingly, it does present an interesting piece of hairdresser tittle-tattle about Switzerland in general: it is happy to frown on criminals it deems to be from a particular ethnic group for the low level crime of pickpocketing, yet it beams like a Cheshire cat at the prospect of investment from criminals of the same ethnic group who happen to be exceedingly rich and wish to store their money no-questions-asked.
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Talking about facts - has the SVP been very successful lately in CH? Where, when?
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... and even urinating on the police.
I always knew the police were taking the p*ss
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Re: Increased shoplifting due to North African Asylseekers

A close friend of mine had worked with refugees here in the UK. Yes, there are some scammers and criminals, but on the whole they're just normal people who are trying to find their way in a strange country on less than a pittance. People complain that asylum seekers take housing, take benefits, etc. when in reality they're normally shoved into a shared room (if single/in the country alone) in a house full of asylum seekers and receive not really enough to survive. They then get summoned to court or meetings hundreds of miles away, and it wasn't for charities who deal with these things, there is no way they could afford to make those meetings - resulting in them having what little status and means of support taken away.

I've had experiences like Kittsters, and they're highly unpleasant. But we need to remember that a good number of these people are fleeing unbearable situations. Some of the stories my friend would tell me are just horrifying.
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Interestingly, it does present an interesting piece of hairdresser tittle-tattle about Switzerland in general: it is happy to frown on criminals it deems to be from a particular ethnic group for the low level crime of pickpocketing, yet it beams like a Cheshire cat at the prospect of investment from criminals of the same ethnic group who happen to be exceedingly rich and wish to store their money no-questions-asked.
do you think this is an issue common only to Switzerland``?
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Talking about facts - has the SVP been very successful lately in CH? Where, when?
Er, they've lost some percentage points with regard to their previous result (which was their highest polling ever). I would still call that being succesful.
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Re: Increased shoplifting due to North African Asylseekers

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Talking about facts - has the SVP been very successful lately in CH? Where, when?
Let me think...Central Switzerland?

Now, seriously. Mass media could be very manipulative, I'd take everything with a huge "pinch of salt and pepper".
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Old 18.01.2012, 15:22
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Let me think...Central Switzerland?

No, seriously. Mass media could be very manipulative, I'd take everything with a huge "pinch" of salt and pepper.
Of course. When the media say things we like to hear we believe every word.

When they say something we don't like they are obviously a bunch of liars and crooks.

Sometimes they can be both in the same article. In the same sentence even.
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do you think this is an issue common only to Switzerland``?
I think its an issue more associated with Switzerland than with, say, Sweden if thats what you mean.
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Now, seriously. Mass media could be very manipulative, I'd take everything with a huge "pinch of salt and pepper".
Aromat?
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Old 18.01.2012, 16:14
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Re: Increased shoplifting due to North African Asylseekers

Just a quick summary for those who can't read German:

Crime (mostly theft, burglaries, vandalism, not so much violent crime) is on the rise because of the recent influx of North African asylum seekers, January to June last year alone had more cases of burglaries than the entire previous year. Police confirm the trend, politicians (SVP mostly) reacted by asking the government how they intend to cope with this problem, asked if a) asylum requests of criminals are turned down and whether b) Morocco and Algeria could be declared safe countries for deportation, both of which were answered negatively. The fact that the responsible federal councillor, Mrs. Sommaruga, is a social democrat certainly doesn't help...

Now how do you want to ensure the continued support and good-will of the citizens for the government's asylum policies if you accept asylum requests of welfare refugees who commited crimes? Pretty sad state of affairs if you ask me...
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Old 18.01.2012, 16:21
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Interestingly, it does present an interesting piece of hairdresser tittle-tattle about Switzerland in general: it is happy to frown on criminals it deems to be from a particular ethnic group for the low level crime of pickpocketing, yet it beams like a Cheshire cat at the prospect of investment from criminals of the same ethnic group who happen to be exceedingly rich and wish to store their money no-questions-asked.
You find it interesting that Switzerland welcomes investors and businessmen and frowns on criminals from the same region/country? I call taht common sense, but I might have missed your point..
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Old 18.01.2012, 16:23
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You find it interesting that Switzerland welcomes investors and businessmen and frowns on criminals from the same region/country? I call taht common sense, but I might have missed your point..
Because it would be racist to do otherwise?
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You find it interesting that Switzerland welcomes investors and businessmen and frowns on criminals from the same region/country? I call taht common sense, but I might have missed your point..
I am pointing out that Switzerland is happy to accept money in its banks that has in all likelihood come from illegal activity and makes no publicity about it, which is a significantly worse crime than shoplifting, yet it is the shoplifters that get the bad press while the african dictators who deposit this money are happily welcomed.
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Re: Increased shoplifting due to North African Asylseekers

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Talking about facts - has the SVP been very successful lately in CH? Where, when?
Um, that would have been the General Election back in November 2011. The party with the greatest amount of votes I believe.

And your next question please?
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Because it would be racist to do otherwise?
Quite so. I never quite understood these accusations of hypocricy...

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