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A napping commuter passenger caused disruptions to 176 trains on Tuesday day when he pulled the emergency brake after missing his stop.

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Old 18.01.2012, 15:12
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JFC! i hope they catch this dumbass and fine the bejeezus out of him for being a narcissistic a-hole.
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Re: Sleepy passenger causes Swiss train chaos

My wife was complaining about the trains on her way to work yesterday... now I know why...

I, too, hope they catch this individual and fine him. Additionally, he should have to reimburse everyone that suffered a financial loss due to the delay (missed meetings, etc). I know he probably doesn't have enough money for this, but its the principle of the matter...
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Re: Sleepy passenger causes Swiss train chaos

Yesterday was a total disaster on the trains but I still don't get why a 200m cable would fall to the ground because of the emergency brake (N.B. I'm no engineer!)
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Old 18.01.2012, 15:40
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Re: Sleepy passenger causes Swiss train chaos

A fine system they got here. One train suddenly stops and the whole of Switzerland just grinds to a halt.
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Old 18.01.2012, 15:40
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I, too, hope they catch this individual and fine him.
Are you talking about The Local?
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Are you talking about The Local?
Surprisingly, not this time. I actually found this article interesting.
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Old 18.01.2012, 15:52
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A fine system they got here. One train suddenly stops and the whole of Switzerland just grinds to a halt.
Because of Zurich's central location in Switzerland, and Western Europe, delays at Zurich can ripple through the European rail network and impact schedules in many other countries. Or so I once read...
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Surprisingly, not this time. I actually found this article interesting.

interesting it is. This sentence was most interesting:

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the dozy passenger brought the train to a halt at a critical junction where several different types of current cross, causing a short-circuit.
That must be a record of nonsenscal writing even for The Local.

What exactly does it mean when when several different types of current cross? The remark is nonsensical by the way because all lines diverging from Schlieren are AC electrified so the "types of current" are all the same.
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What exactly does it mean when when several different types of current cross? The remark is nonsensical by the way because all lines diverging from Schlieren are AC electrified so the "types of current" are all the same.
I haven't been following the case in question (I'm one of those poor guys who spend most of their time working), but I assume the spot where the engine stopped was right on a section insulator of the overhead line. It separates two sections that are fed from different sources.

If the pantograph of the loco stops exactly on the insulator, depending on the switch mode of the section, it can cause a short circuit between the neighboring sections. At 15,000 Volt, that can melt the entire overhead wiring in a fraction of a second. It just drips down in nice, red drops, long before a fuse can trip.

Granted, that's not "different types of current." It's current from different sections. Very heavy current, at that. We can't expect journalists to have a degree in electric engineering. For once (and ONLY for once) I'd cut The Local some slack.

LiB, at least this country has a working train transportation system. A single incident doesn't mean much. Sh1t happens. In the country that once flew to the Moon, I have to travel 250 miles in order to board a train, and that's two trains in each direction. Per day, not per hour.
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In the country that once flew to the Moon, I have to travel 250 miles in order to board a train, and that's two trains in each direction. Per day, not per hour.
Yes, but in that same country, one can more likely afford their own personal vehicle to use on the generally excellent roadways, rendering train travel somewhat redundant.
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Old 24.01.2012, 15:31
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I haven't been following the case in question (I'm one of those poor guys who spend most of their time working), but I assume the spot where the engine stopped was right on a section insulator of the overhead line. It separates two sections that are fed from different sources.

If the pantograph of the loco stops exactly on the insulator, depending on the switch mode of the section, it can cause a short circuit between the neighboring sections. At 15,000 Volt, that can melt the entire overhead wiring in a fraction of a second. It just drips down in nice, red drops, long before a fuse can trip.
If that is what happened (which I still doubt) I'm afraid they're barking up the wrong tree when blaming a sleepy passenger for this. The train could have stopped in precisely that position for any number of reasons (including a legitimate use of the emergeny brake) and thus I would suggest the section breaker was of faulty construction as that sort of thing just shouldn't happen. Drivers should avoid stopping under section breakers, but if it does happen the worst possible consequence should be that the train is stopped and needs another train to push it back into a live section.

However, I don't think that is what happened as a section breaker should be sufficiently long that a pantograph cannot touch both ends simultaneously. Otherwise there would be a brief short circuit every time a train passed. Anyway, on other forums right now there are speculations that there was no sleepy passenger but that the driver invented this story to cover his own incompetence.

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Granted, that's not "different types of current." It's current from different sections. Very heavy current, at that. We can't expect journalists to have a degree in electric engineering. For once (and ONLY for once) I'd cut The Local some slack.
Well, if a journalist told us that the financial crisis was caused by two different types of money crossing we wouldn't hear the end of it. Why is it somehow more acceptable to be sloppy with engineering terminology. After all, journalists are payed to be accurate and truthful. Maybe if you're the first reporter at the scene and the story has to go out quickly this is acceptable. But The Local had plenty of time to reflect and do research.

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LiB, at least this country has a working train transportation system. A single incident doesn't mean much. Sh1t happens. In the country that once flew to the Moon, I have to travel 250 miles in order to board a train, and that's two trains in each direction. Per day, not per hour.
Agreed.
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Old 24.01.2012, 15:36
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Yes, but in that same country, one can more likely afford their own personal vehicle to use on the generally excellent roadways, rendering train travel somewhat redundant.
You could ask whether this is a chicken and egg situation as people wouldn't be forced to buy their own personal vehicles if there was a workable alternative. In Switzerland there are a lot of people who could afford their own vehicle but choose not to because they prefer the alternative. That's different to the USA where most people who don't have a vehicle are too poor to get one.
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JFC! i hope they catch this dumbass and fine the bejeezus out of him for being a narcissistic a-hole.
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Re: Sleepy passenger causes Swiss train chaos

the sleepy passenger woke up and realized he had missed his stop at Altstetten and was alone in the carriage.
If he was alone in the carriage, who testified he was really sleeping
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the sleepy passenger woke up and realized he had missed his stop at Altstetten and was alone in the carriage.
If he was alone in the carriage, who testified he was really sleeping
Nobody, but one has to remark that it is a very common sight (to see people asleep in the carriage possibly missing their stop). Though it does nicely support Amogles suspicion of a cover-up... There just might be more to the story after all...
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You could ask whether this is a chicken and egg situation as people wouldn't be forced to buy their own personal vehicles if there was a workable alternative. In Switzerland there are a lot of people who could afford their own vehicle but choose not to because they prefer the alternative. That's different to the USA where most people who don't have a vehicle are too poor to get one.
You can't own and operate a vehicle in Switzerland for the equivalent of $1000 for any period of time. Hell, I don't think I've even seen a working vehicle for sale at that price. In the US, a person could purchase a car for several hundred dollars, insure it, and operate it- all for what a Zuricher pays for an annual municipal pass. That person can then travel at any time, unchained to a transit schedule, to anywhere, without having to purchase a fare if he goes outside of the zones listed on his transit pass.

I'm not totally bashing mass transit, but the US doesn't have a mass transit system like Switzerland because it doesn't have the population density that makes these systems cost-effective and useful for the average American.
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You can't own and operate a vehicle in Switzerland for the equivalent of $1000 for any period of time. Hell, I don't think I've even seen a working vehicle for sale at that price. In the US, a person could purchase a car for several hundred dollars, insure it, and operate it- all for what a Zuricher pays for an annual municipal pass. That person can then travel at any time, unchained to a transit schedule, to anywhere, without having to purchase a fare if he goes outside of the zones listed on his transit pass.

I'm not totally bashing mass transit, but the US doesn't have a mass transit system like Switzerland because it doesn't have the population density that makes these systems cost-effective and useful for the average American.
You also don't have cars here that fall apart on the road or that melt the ice caps entirely through their own emissions. Nor do you have people earning 10k per year.

Give and take and all that, not much good comparing the two.

I'm with amogles on this one. If all you're going to do is plagiarize and translate a real newspaper, then you should have time to at least get the details right, Local.
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Re: Sleepy passenger causes Swiss train chaos

I asked my husband about this ... he said the train stopped directly on an electricity sector which short circuited. Really crazy, but seemigly pretty bad timing and at a bad location... have they found the jerk yet?
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A fine system they got here. One train suddenly stops and the whole of Switzerland just grinds to a halt.
Still better than the UK, I must say. A leaf fell on the track and the whole rail network is affected.
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