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Old 19.11.2012, 16:03
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Re: Zurich bans minors from the sex trade

I'm presuming that the BBC's retired DJ Travel Section is busy on the phone to a call center in India to try and re-arrange flights to Bratislava instead of Zürich for their Christmas outing.
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Old 19.11.2012, 16:05
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Re: Zurich bans minors from the sex trade

I dont get it.

So, you can work at 16, you can have sex at 16, and selling sex is not illegal. But you can't sell sex at 16? Sounds like a classic case of discrimation to me.

Is this not effectively saying a 16 year old is not old/mature enough to make the decision to sell sex, but is old enough to have it and work in other jobs the state deems more acceptable. Which then begs the quesiton, are prostitutes outcasts from society? Are they not on equal footing to the rest of us?
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Old 19.11.2012, 17:06
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I dont get it.

So, you can work at 16, you can have sex at 16, and selling sex is not illegal. But you can't sell sex at 16? Sounds like a classic case of discrimation to me.

Is this not effectively saying a 16 year old is not old/mature enough to make the decision to sell sex, but is old enough to have it and work in other jobs the state deems more acceptable. Which then begs the quesiton, are prostitutes outcasts from society? Are they not on equal footing to the rest of us?
Can a 16 year old sell alcohol in a bar? Or be a tram driver?
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Re: Zurich bans minors from the sex trade

Or even buy alcohol (apart from beer or wine)?

If people can't see the difference between having sex and selling sex as a 16 year old I dispair. I cannot thing of a single mother or father of a 16 year old who could not clearly understand that.
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Old 19.11.2012, 17:15
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Re: Zurich bans minors from the sex trade

Who wants to have sex with a minor? All fat and dirty and covered in coal dust.
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Old 19.11.2012, 17:35
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Can a 16 year old sell alcohol in a bar? Or be a tram driver?
I think as bars sell spirits, and in this country spirits must be purchased by persons 18 or over I think, probably not. I have no idea on the latter, I assume the legal age to obtain a driving licence is 17? So perhaps it makes sense that they cant drive a tram, given the lives they are responsible for, but I have no idea.

Can a 16 year old have sex legally? I think they can. So not sure how the examples compare as yours is based on incidents a 16 year old can not legally obtain or perform, whereas a 16 year old can legally have sex.
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Old 19.11.2012, 17:51
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Or even buy alcohol (apart from beer or wine)?

If people can't see the difference between having sex and selling sex as a 16 year old I dispair. I cannot thing of a single mother or father of a 16 year old who could not clearly understand that.
I can see the difference, but I dont think anyone can judge the situation, and I believe it is a bit hypocritical to be honest.

Lets be straight, any parent will despair at their child selling their body at all, whether that be at 16 or 18 or in their 20s. They would of wanted better things for their child then that and may need to look in the mirror themselves if that is the case. I am currently childless, but I cant imagine saying "hell you are not selling yourself at 16, at least wait until you are 25"

That said, if a 16 year old wants to, they will. If they cant legally do so in a legal establishment, they will do so at their own risk. I think the legal route would be more responsible for the country in regard to safety and welfare rather than dwelling on the moral aspects of the whole issue.
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Re: Zurich bans minors from the sex trade

18 for driving actually.

A 16 year old having sex in a consensual relationship is just not comparable, really. Most kids who prostitute themselves are doing so to get to drugs they've been introduced to by pimps. And many are brought over from abroad and kept in a form of slavery, their passport taken away, etc.
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Re: Zurich bans minors from the sex trade

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Ok, so makes my point even clearer.

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A 16 year old having sex in a consensual relationship is just not comparable, really. Most kids who prostitute themselves are doing so to get to drugs they've been introduced to by pimps. And many are brought over from abroad and kept in a form of slavery, their passport taken away, etc.
That may well be the case, if a little speculation, but the alternative only forces this issue further underground no?
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I think as bars sell spirits, and in this country spirits must be purchased by persons 18 or over.
So you think if minors were prohibited from hiring prostitutes too then that'd be fairer? I can live with that.
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Re: Zurich bans minors from the sex trade

So what else are they supposed to when the pit closes?

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Old 19.11.2012, 19:14
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So you think if minors were prohibited from hiring prostitutes too then that'd be fairer? I can live with that.
Well in the context of sex 16 is not a minor
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Re: Zurich bans minors from the sex trade

Can you state any country where prostitution is legal at 16, apart from Switzerland? It is certainly the only one in Europe.

Quote from a journalist doing some research recently:

ZURICH -- About a year ago, I drove with a Zurich police patrol through the red light district to try and get a better picture of the scene. I’m still haunted by the memories of the very young girls. They could hardly speak a word of German and they were selling their bodies. Their pimps stood not far away, waiting to take the money they earned.
Switzerland is the only European country where 16-year-olds are allowed to prostitute themselves. This is repugnant and incomprehensible. It makes Switzerland a destination for sex tourists with a penchant for children. Some Swiss “escort agencies” highlight the fact that they offer underage girls.
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Re: Zurich bans minors from the sex trade

I thought they got outed in October.

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Old 19.11.2012, 19:42
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Re: Zurich bans minors from the sex trade

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Most kids who prostitute themselves are doing so to get to drugs they've been introduced to by pimps.
Actually, I had read that it was for want of LV bags and such (at least among the Swiss doing so, the foreigners just jumped on the band-wagon).

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Can you state any country where prostitution is legal at 16, apart from Switzerland? It is certainly the only one in Europe.

Quote from a journalist doing some research recently:

ZURICH -- About a year ago, I drove with a Zurich police patrol through the red light district to try and get a better picture of the scene. I’m still haunted by the memories of the very young girls. They could hardly speak a word of German and they were selling their bodies. Their pimps stood not far away, waiting to take the money they earned.
Switzerland is the only European country where 16-year-olds are allowed to prostitute themselves. This is repugnant and incomprehensible. It makes Switzerland a destination for sex tourists with a penchant for children. Some Swiss “escort agencies” highlight the fact that they offer underage girls.
The BBC must be pretty smart being able to judge people's linguistical skills from behind the windscreen of a moving car.

A pity they were less skilled at spotting in-your-face paedophilia on senior levels withion their own ranks.

And as for escort agencies adveritising under-age girls. who can be so naive as to fall for that? Even in the US there is a chain of strip joints called "Barely Legal", owned by no less than Larry Flint. But I'm sure that when the police turn up to inspect they'll find they're all perfectly legal. Women have lied about their age ever since the invention of the calendar. This is just really poor journalism.
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Re: Zurich bans minors from the sex trade

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Most kids who prostitute themselves are doing so to get to drugs they've been introduced to by pimps. And many are brought over from abroad and kept in a form of slavery, their passport taken away, etc.
But this is OK for people over 18?
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18 for driving actually.

A 16 year old having sex in a consensual relationship is just not comparable, really. Most kids who prostitute themselves are doing so to get to drugs they've been introduced to by pimps. And many are brought over from abroad and kept in a form of slavery, their passport taken away, etc.
The whole story about pimps befriending under-age girls, giving them drugs, and then using them as prostitutes once they're hooked is quite old but there has been a lot of taboo around it. In the UK for example a certain ethnic group was often accused of doing that and no one would mention it in public for fear of being called racist. But this taboo has been softening lately.
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Wide open prostitution is coming to an end in Zurich after the city council approved measures to ban minors under the age of 18 from plying the sex trade.

Read the full article: Zurich bans minors from the sex trade

this is age discrimination!
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