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Re: Swiss justice Minister: Foreign residents should learn a Swiss language

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Umm, actually she's Swiss.

(born and raised here, but not Ticinese, technically from ZH)

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Please accept my apologies then.
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My thoughts are that, if they want foreigners to learn an official Swiss language, then the German-speaking Swiss should also have to learn one.
ähm.. we do (we just don't speak it in daily life )
we even learn a second one
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Re: Swiss justice Minister: Foreign residents should learn a Swiss language

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I see, not only do we have to put up with arrogance, but we have to teach the so-called "poor souls" as well...lol
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My thoughts are that, if they want foreigners to learn an official Swiss language, then the German-speaking Swiss should also have to learn one.
Perfect example of the "arrogance" I have been writing about. The "average" Swiss person speaks two, three, or more languages by the way. I have a Swiss friend who speaks six languages fluently,and no, he didn't learn them from a course in "How To Speak a Foreign Language in Ten Days," either...lol
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Re: Swiss justice Minister: Foreign residents should learn a Swiss language

If I remember correctly, this proposal only requires foreign residents to learn German, French, or Italian at the beginner's or novice level. How many of the expats posting in this thread have already achieved this? (For the record, I haven't yet, but I don't live in Switzerland.)
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Old 05.02.2012, 21:24
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Re: Swiss justice Minister: Foreign residents should learn a Swiss language

So if you see a bloke standing next to Spalentor with "Faltrad" tattooed on his forehead, be sure to walk up to him and say in your brashest Estuary accent "Oi! Matey! which way to the nearest brown sugar shop".

And don't forget to wear football shin pads before you ask.

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You don't get it. I can't blame you, you said yourself it was a "guess".
Talk to me in the language of your choice in the street, but your level of politeness will determine mine, even if I speak your language and will answer in your language if approached politely.

Don't worry, I don't react good to impolite German speakers either.
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Old 05.02.2012, 21:25
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Re: Swiss justice Minister: Foreign residents should learn a Swiss language

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... The "average" Swiss person speaks two, three, or more languages by the way...
I don't know where you live and work (presumably some middle class, prosperous enclave), but in my experience a significant minority speak two. The majority speak one. Not many speak more than two. (Though obviously multilinguists are more common here than in the UK, for example. Or France. Or Spain. Or Germany...).

KeinFranzösich is correct. Many Swiss people from the "German" speaking Switzerland - even the professional ones, don't like speaking High German, and aren't very good at it. It is a source of irritation to the French speakers that the "German" speakers aren't.

Many of my children's Swiss friends' High German isn't as good as that of my kids. In common with many of us, when they leave school, they'll forget most of it.
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If I remember correctly, this proposal only requires foreign residents to learn German, French, or Italian at the beginner's or novice level. How many of the expats posting in this thread have already achieved this? (For the record, I haven't yet, but I don't live in Switzerland.)
with some German in hand, you can annoy the locals with 2 languages!!!

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I don't know where you live and work (presumably some middle class, prosperous enclave), but in my experience a significant minority speak two. The majority speak one. Not many speak more than two. (Though obviously multilinguists are more common here than in the UK, for example. Or France. Or Spain. Or Germany...).

KeinFranzösich is correct. Many Swiss people from the "German" speaking Switzerland - even the professional ones, don't like speaking High German, and aren't very good at it. It is a source of irritation to the French speakers that the "German" speakers aren't.

Many of my children's Swiss friends' High German isn't as good as that of my kids. In common with many of us, when they leave school, they'll forget most of it.
In your experience, you see what you want to see in order to rationalize inadequacies. I have to disagree with you and can say quite the opposite. It is very, very, rare to meet a Swiss person who doesn't speak more than one language, even in the German speaking part. Very, very rare...
It's funny in your post you contradict yourself by admitting that: "Though obviously multilinguists are more common here than in the UK, for example. Or France. Or Spain. Or Germany." Or anywhere possibly?
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If I remember correctly, this proposal only requires foreign residents to learn German, French, or Italian at the beginner's or novice level. How many of the expats posting in this thread have already achieved this? (For the record, I haven't yet, but I don't live in Switzerland.)
High German: fluent
French: adequate for daily situations and reading documents
Swiss German: understand some (including the news about the Minister's comments ), starting to use Swiss German words in speech

I'm always a bit puzzled by comments of the Swiss Germans not remembering their High German after schooling. I understand it is quite a different vocabulary and pronunciation, but given that most written German is High German, how can you totally forget it? Anyone Swiss help me understand please?
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I'm always a bit puzzled by comments of the Swiss Germans not remembering their High German after schooling. I understand it is quite a different vocabulary and pronunciation, but given that most written German is High German, how can you totally forget it? Anyone Swiss help me understand please?
Here I am

I don't understand it also I don't think it's possible to "forget" high german after school when you read it and write in high german and hear it everyday.
I also don't think that swiss(germans) speak worse german than our northern neighbour, we just have a different accent which may sound like "wrong german" to germans.

And after all: swiss german ist still german and I consider German to be my mother tongue and not swiss german.
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Re: Swiss justice Minister: Foreign residents should learn a Swiss language

It's not a question of not remembering, it's a question of distaste!

Sorry, but I truly dislike high German, and only speak (fake) Swiss when I go to Germany. They invariably respond in English.

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Most Scousers, Brummies or Geordies are bi-lingual and can jump from one to t'other. Same with most Swiss Germans. The fact they choose to speak Swiss German does not mean they cannot speak High German when they need to, or want to.
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Sorry, but I truly dislike high German, and only speak (fake) Swiss when I go to Germany. They invariably respond in English.

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Mabye they think you speak dutch or swedish to them

When me and my friends were in Berlin, an old german guy asked us: "Are you from sweden ?"

But i'm also not able to understand all german and austrian dialects immediately.
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Sorry, but I truly dislike high German, and only speak (fake) Swiss when I go to Germany.
Gosh, I wonder what Mrs Foreign Minister thinks of people having the audacity to speak fake Swiss
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Re: Swiss justice Minister: Foreign residents should learn a Swiss language

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Most Scousers, Brummies or Geordies are bi-lingual and can jump from one to t'other. Same with most Swiss Germans. The fact they choose to speak Swiss German does not mean they cannot speak High German when they need to, or want to.
Same with Ticinese.

Years ago, I was with 4 colleagues in Sweden (all Ticinese), and I noticed that they spoke Italian amongst themselves (and French or Italian to me), and I asked why.

Reason? the youngsters couldn't yet understand the dialects of the others (which I could), so they defaulted to Italian!

Meanwhile, my wife used to do real-time translation of her mother (Varese dialect) until I pointed out that I understood her perfectly well!

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Mabye they think you speak dutch or swedish to them

When me and my friends were in Berlin, an old german guy asked us: "Are you from sweden ?"

But i'm also not able to understand all german and austrian dialects immediately.
The only time I freely speak German is in Voralberg (with biker friends), anyone else has to pay!

But, no, people I work with know that I'm originally from the US, so it's just a question of fun.

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if it's any consolation, I keep waiting for the Canadians to speak English.
Hey, my kids (and half my step kids) are Canadian!

Speaking French is a different matter, though.

Years ago, Quebecoise-only speaking niece comes for a visit, including a stop-over in Paris. Every time she spoke French (in Paris), they responded in English (which she did NOT understand back when)!

Even with my pure US accent while speaking French, I have not had this happen, though my Parisian ex-girlfriend, and several others, have accused me of having a FAKE American accent!

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Hey, my kids (and half my step kids) are Canadian!

Speaking French is a different matter, though.

Years ago, Quebecoise-only speaking niece comes for a visit, including a stop-over in Paris. Every time she spoke French (in Paris), they responded in English (which she did NOT understand back when)!

Even with my pure US accent while speaking French, I have not had this happen, though my Parisian ex-girlfriend, and several others, have accused me of having a FAKE American accent!

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with some German in hand, you can annoy the locals with 2 languages!!!
When you're German from Germany, you annoy the Swissgermans with only one language...
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