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Better silicone than silicon! (as Swiss news reported recently)

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But if you use silicon, you could enhance the boobs with microchips and make the woman more intelligent.
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Old 10.02.2012, 21:37
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I am sorry st2leman, in what my honest surprise deserved a groan for?
That you claim there is a lack of regulation here.

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Old 10.02.2012, 21:39
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That you claim there is a lack of regulation here.

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I don't claim it, I said I am surprised if it is the case. In all the countries I lived, Switzerland was by far the best health care experience I had. And I believe the Swiss are very strict with regulations, why my surprise if lack of it.
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Apparently, plastic surgery is not strongly regulated (in Switzerland) I think someone brought this up in another thread. I know that specifically regarding breast surgery that gynecologists are trained to do most mastectomies and lumpectomies, although I don't know about reconstruction. Perhaps most cosmetic procedures are not covered under the basic insurance, so the regulation isn't that strong (in Switzerland).

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Re: Untrained docs enlarging breasts in Switzerland

Agreed, the point I made is that this is not specific to CH, and is the same in the UK or US.
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Old 10.02.2012, 21:59
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Re: Untrained docs enlarging breasts in Switzerland

From the article "The scandal with faulty implants reflects just the tip of the iceberg"

Surely more than the tip














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Re: Untrained docs enlarging breasts in Switzerland

Yep, that made me chuckle too.

Quote from NY Times:

Ear Doctors Performing Face-Lifts? It Happens

By KATE MURPHY

Published: January 30, 2012





After moving from New York to Los Angeles in 2010 to take a job with a financial services firm, Joan, now 59, believed she needed to freshen her look. So she got a face-lift and tummy tuck from a board-certified doctor in Beverly Hills.



This week: The sound of the 1880s; wolves versus moose in northern Michigan; and watch where you get that nose job.

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What she did not realize was that his certification was in otolaryngology — ear, nose and throat — not plastic surgery. The outcome was less than ideal: thick scars on her temples and a wavy abdomen.
“I had to use all my savings to get a real plastic surgeon to fix what he did to me,” said Joan, who asked that her last name be withheld to protect her privacy. “I have an M.B.A. I’m not stupid. But when the doctor has a nice clinic and all those diplomas and certifications on the wall, you think he knows what he’s doing.”
With declining insurance reimbursements, more doctors, regardless of specialty, are expanding their practices to include lucrative cosmetic procedures paid for out of pocket by patients. It’s now common to find gynecologists offering breast augmentation, ophthalmologists doing liposuction, even family practice physicians giving Botox injections.

Unquote. Several GP practices where I used to live in the uK have (trained) receptionists doing Botox, and so does our dentist. General surgeons also do enhancements, especially in private practice.
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I don't claim it, I said I am surprised if it is the case. In all the countries I lived, Switzerland was by far the best health care experience I had. And I believe the Swiss are very strict with regulations, why my surprise if lack of it.
Sorry for going a little off topic, but...

The perception of Switzerland as a heavily regulated country is based on an awful lot of myth. The truth is rather that due to the absence of clearly stated easily fathomable rules and regulations, and laws without gaping loopholes, civilians seem to take it upon themselves to police anything and everything. That gives the false impression that everyone is rather orderly and the country is some sort of pantheon of perfection.

Switzerland is for example, one of the few places in Europe (if not the only) where it is,or up until recently was legal for children to work as prostitutes - due to inadequate legislation. A lot of regulations also seem to be underpinned by the catch-the-uninformed-offernder-out but then allow them to pay their way - a rather mercenary focus.

Switzerland has also been on the Disputed Transparency Index for a long time due to this general penchant for regulatory loopholes/laxness and propensity for financial crimes.

However much the tourism board and inordinately proud locals would like to promote Switzerland as a pristine, crime-free, perfect Utopia where everything works smoothly and all the inhabitants enjoy the best quality of life on earth, that is simply far from true.
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Re: Untrained docs enlarging breasts in Switzerland

I'd say that medicine in CH is much less regulated than in the UK for instance. Surgeries/Offices are more luxurious, doctors have all sort of equipment a UK GP could never afford if working for the NHS, and consultation times are longer (not necessarily because it is necessary for a good diagnosis). For instance I have a school friend who, aged 59, decided to switch from being a orthopedic surgeon to being a GP. This would not have been possible at all in the UK, where a 3 year specific programme on top of basic studies in internship, is required, for instance including 9 months approx of supervised practice (such an unfortunate word).
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I believe the Swiss are very strict with regulations, why my surprise if lack of it.
They aren't.

Maybe the German speakers are, but who cares about them!

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Re: Untrained docs enlarging breasts in Switzerland

This seems to be the thread to share a funny story from my early teens which I don't think I've told anyone before. Back in the 90s when the plastic surgery industry (as we know it now) was just taking off, the papers were full of stories of women getting boob jobs. And there were pictures and interviews and expert opinions, and also a lot written about how expensive these operations were: thousands and thousands of pounds, lots of money back then.

Every now and then my mum would send me to the chemist to pick up medicine for a sick sibling and I would look at the top shelf behind the chemist counter and see these things called "breast pumps" up there. I was probably only 13 or 14 at the time but I'd think, why on earth would a woman get a boob job done for five grand, when she can nick into the chemist and pick up one of these handy breast pumps for 30 quid?!

It was maaaany, many years later that I realised that these breast pumps at the chemist were not used by women to jump from a B-cup to a D-cup.

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I am surprised and quite shocked to hear a lack of regulations in this area in Switzerland.
Why does that surprise you? Given the lack of regulations this country has across the board, I'd be surprised if it would even meet the EU standards.
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Sorry for going a little off topic, but...

The perception of Switzerland as a heavily regulated country is based on an awful lot of myth. The truth is rather that due to the absence of clearly stated easily fathomable rules and regulations, and laws without gaping loopholes, civilians seem to take it upon themselves to police anything and everything. That gives the false impression that everyone is rather orderly and the country is some sort of pantheon of perfection.

Switzerland is for example, one of the few places in Europe (if not the only) where it is,or up until recently was legal for children to work as prostitutes - due to inadequate legislation. A lot of regulations also seem to be underpinned by the catch-the-uninformed-offernder-out but then allow them to pay their way - a rather mercenary focus.

Switzerland has also been on the Disputed Transparency Index for a long time due to this general penchant for regulatory loopholes/laxness and propensity for financial crimes.

However much the tourism board and inordinately proud locals would like to promote Switzerland as a pristine, crime-free, perfect Utopia where everything works smoothly and all the inhabitants enjoy the best quality of life on earth, that is simply far from true.
Is that you Lib ??
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However much the tourism board and inordinately proud locals would like to promote Switzerland as a pristine, crime-free, perfect Utopia where everything works smoothly and all the inhabitants enjoy the best quality of life on earth, that is simply far from true.
Thanks for debunking this scam! It has been my hope for a long time, that the Swiss tourism board and proud locals one day will find a more honest way to portray Switzerland and will also put light on the bad sides. E. g. like californian tourism agencies praise drive by shootings, crackheads and toxic waste dumps ...
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However much the tourism board and inordinately proud locals would like to promote Switzerland as a pristine, crime-free, perfect Utopia where everything works smoothly and all the inhabitants enjoy the best quality of life on earth, that is simply far from true.
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Thanks for debunking this scam! It has been my hope for a long time, that the Swiss tourism board and proud locals one day will find a more honest way to portray Switzerland and will also put light on the bad sides. E. g. like californian tourism agencies praise drive by shootings, crackheads and toxic waste dumps ...
Oh Falcy, it's the weekend and you replied rather early in the morning so you do have an excuse for using sarcasm as a form of wit. Relax and wait until Monday to start splittling hairs.

My point was not that the Tourism Board and super proud locals shouldn't "do their job" etc but rather that the fruit of their labour is hugely at odds with reality. However if you really want to be pedantic, it is not at all ususual to find tourist guides for other countries with "guidelines" for naive visitors.

Perhaps there are a few ostriches lurking about who have no idea of the dangers beneath the glitter of places like California, London and NY, but they are few and far between.
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