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With the Swiss looking likely to reject an initiative extending paid holiday time to six weeks, politicians and academics believe a mixture of fear and Calvinism are keeping workers off the beach.

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Re: Swiss work ethic trumping extra holidays

this actually made me laugh out loud. I'm pretty sure the Calvinists would be turning over in their grave over one week's vacation, if the debate is whether or not to go to 6 weeks then worries about Calvinism went out the window quite a while ago.
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Old 13.02.2012, 11:41
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Re: Swiss work ethic trumping extra holidays

I wouldn't mind granting The Local some extra weeks of vacation.
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Re: Swiss work ethic trumping extra holidays

The guy in the photo is both sleeping and drinking coffee at the same time. Good example of time management but not very productive.

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Re: Swiss work ethic trumping extra holidays

Wait... they don't want 6 weeks of paid holiday but they still want the world to keep the doors shuttered on Sundays? I wish they'd make up their minds.
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Re: Swiss work ethic trumping extra holidays

So last month, we read:
When asked how they would vote if a referendum for six weeks of holidays were to be held next Sunday, 57 percent said they would vote in favour. The percentage planning to vote 'yes' was down four points on a similar survey conducted in February 2011.
Then this month, we read:
A poll conducted in early February by public broadcaster SSR found that only 39 percent of those questioned approved the initiative for a greater number of vacation days.
An enormous change of heart by 18% of those polled in the course of a few weeks? Or polling error? I don't know about you, but I'm inclined to think that maybe it's the poll?
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The guy in the photo is both sleeping and drinking coffee at the same time. Good example of time management but not very productive.
Unfortunately, these are the guys that get good performance ratings
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Some believe that the reason for the resistance to the holiday initiative is deeply rooted in the Swiss psyche.
Oh my what a terrible terrible article. They even have to interview a professor of history to explain an economics 101 question.

The extra two weeks are not FREE and nothing to do with psyche. The employer pays wages from a budget that is already fixed and limited. Extra holidays, higher pension, less hours etc are all deducted from this budget, therefore a worker gets nothing 'free' - but they merely forgo cash for benefits in kind. These benefits are eventually either deducted from their pay (i.e. workers get lower wages) or shifting the salary of a future employee to themselves (i.e. a new employee that now no longer gets hired - the swiss fear in this case). The same principle applies with the pension in wages. You DONT get extra pension component added to your salary, it is merely deducted from your already earned salary.

The fact the initiative hasnt got many supporters shows that the Swiss are quite clued up about these things.
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There's a difference between working hard and working smart. The Swiss people I've worked with don't seem to understand that. Tüchtig" is not the same as productive, especially if the work isn't done correctly. Nor is laboring an hour over a task that can be done in 15 minutes time well spent.
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(i.e. a new employee that now no longer gets hired - the swiss fear in this case).
What's to fear if it results in a decrease in the immigration rate?

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There's a difference between working hard and working smart. The Swiss people I've worked with don't seem to understand that. Tüchtig" is not the same as productive, especially if the work isn't done correctly. Nor is laboring an hour over a task that can be done in 15 minutes time well spent.
Yes we've also had several discussions about this here in my office. The non-Swiss are right on board with the "work smarter, not harder" ethos, but the Swiss and the Americans are all about the gratuitous "look at me! I worked a 15 hour day and have no life!" attitude.
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Nor is laboring an hour over a task that can be done in 15 minutes time well spent.
That can depend very much on who you are married to
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That can depend very much on who you are married to
Dude, your mind is in the gutter I'm talking about at work, on the job, tasks at the office, not "private" stuff
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What's to fear if it results in a decrease in the immigration rate?
Whats a 'new employee' got to do with immigration?

1. Plenty of new people (i.e. apprentices, uni students, previous hausfrau's etc etc) enter the workforce every year.

2. There are plenty of people losing their jobs around Switzerland who need/want to re-enter the workforce.

3. Besides, if a person wishes to work and contribute by entering the workforce, then it helps to have that option there as opposed to the opposite. i.e. no one strives to increase the unemployment rate just to impact the immigration rate

4. Relevance of the rate of immigration to the number of holidays for Swiss employees = close to zero

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