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Jailed in Geneva - the colonel who stood up against Mubarak, but refused to spy...

Robert Fisk: Jailed in Geneva - the colonel who stood up against Mubarak, but refused to spy for the Swiss

His defence of Christian Copts made him a thorn in the side of Egypt's regime. But when he fled, Colonel Ghanem found himself in an equally dangerous game.


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http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...s-7469072.html

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Old 08.03.2012, 09:21
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Re: Jailed in Geneva - the colonel who stood up against Mubarak, but refused to spy..

He is in a bit of a pickle isn't he? It seems to me he was framed by the Egyptian regime because he supported Christians, and the Geneva police are out of their depth because they believed the Egyptian secret police.
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Old 08.03.2012, 17:45
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Re: Jailed in Geneva - the colonel who stood up against Mubarak, but refused to spy..

So many holes in this story.

How can someone be kept in Jail in switzerland without charges for 6 years ?
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Re: Jailed in Geneva - the colonel who stood up against Mubarak, but refused to spy..

It seems to be true, at least to some extend:
The story in German: http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/25021464
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Old 08.03.2012, 20:13
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Re: Jailed in Geneva - the colonel who stood up against Mubarak, but refused to spy..

Well it's pretty amazing the difference in point of view between the article in the independent and that in the tagesanzeiger.

The independent said that he was let free after 7 months. The tagesanzeiger claims that the investigation was stopped after he was diagnosed with being insane and was then put in custody to protect the public. I find the last part of the tagesanzeiger report puts quite a lot of doubt in the Independent's story :

''He has isolated himseld and he didn't even receive his sister-in-law who came from the USA'' says Denise Graf, who is responsible for the case by Amnesty International

She says the sick man doesn't belong in a security detention, rather in a psychiatric clinic or in a department for mentally ill inmates of a German Switerland prison. The first such facility will only be opened in West Switzerland in 2013. ''Ghanam offensichtlich (Apparently/obviously) is close to radical islamic movements. But there is no sign that he is involved in their activities'' says the manager of the NGO World Organisation against torture Eric Sottas. It is thus hardly hardly justified to hold the Egyptian in custody because of an apparent danger towards our country.


So that as even Amnesty International hasn't even mentioned any governmental pressure, has admitted he is the one isolating himself, accepted the medical diagnosis and made no mention of the court case being fabricated, I'm pretty sceptical of the independent's report.


«Er hat sich selbst isoliert und nicht einmal seine aus den USA angereiste Schwägerin empfangen», sagt Denise Graf, die den Fall bei AI Schweiz bearbeitet.

Sie sagt, der kranke Mann gehöre nicht in Sicherheitshaft, sondern in eine psychiatrische Klinik oder in die Abteilung für psychisch kranke Häftlinge einer Deutschschweizer Strafanstalt. In der Westschweiz wird die erste solche Einrichtung erst 2013 geöffnet.«Ghanam steht zwar offensichtlich radikalen islamistischen Bewegungen nahe. Aber es gibt keine Anzeichen, dass er sich an deren Aktivitäten beteiligte», sagt der Geschäftsführer der regierungsunabhängigen Weltorganisation gegen die Folter, Eric Sottas. Es sei daher kaum zu rechtfertigen, den Ägypter wegen angeblicher Gefahr für die Sicherheit unseres Land hinter Gitter zu verwahren.Nach dem Sturz Mubaraks wurde Nationalrat Zysiadis bisher nicht direkt von ägyptischer Seite gebeten, sich für die Haftentlassung des einstigen Regimegegners einzusetzen. Ob Diplomaten des «neuen» Ägypten in Bern vorstellig wurden, war gestern weder von der UNO-Mission in Genf noch von der Botschaft in Bern zu erfahren.
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Re: Jailed in Geneva - the colonel who stood up against Mubarak, but refused to spy..

The Geneva police force bungling a political case after Bern tried to intervene? Surely not?

Domestic violence and servant bashing à la Ghaddafi springs to mind.
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Re: Jailed in Geneva - the colonel who stood up against Mubarak, but refused to spy..

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He is in a bit of a pickle isn't he? It seems to me he was framed by the Egyptian regime because he supported Christians, and the Geneva police are out of their depth because they believed the Egyptian secret police.
Excuse me, but as an Egyptian, I would say that seems to me unfair deduction.
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So many holes in this story.

How can someone be kept in Jail in switzerland without charges for 6 years ?
If there is "6 years" somebody must have sentenced him. And this somebody can only have been a court. The "Analyse+Prävention" may have had a shady reputation, but they could not sentence anybody.

And who says that "Switzerland" supported the US invasion of Afghanistan. I mean whomever did so is a lyer. The federal government was not in favour and in spite of neutrality found it regrettable . And a majority of people were AGAINST that US/UK invasion

This Mr Von Däniken retired in mid-2010 anyway.

He apparently is in a prison in Geneva, which means that a Geneva court for whatever reason sentenced him for 6 years

Some Federal Services may wish whatever they want, they cannot keep somebody in prison for years

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It seems to be true, at least to some extend:
The story in German: http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/25021464
It indeed was a Geneva court which sentenced him. Why they sent him to prison instead of to a mental asylum, I do not understand.

Interesting is to read
...... «Die Genfer Justizbehörden verfügten seine Verwahrung. Im Sinne der Gewaltentrennung kommentiert der Bundesrat diesen Entscheid nicht», antwortete Bundespräsidentin Micheline Calmy-Rey ....
and Mrs Calmy-Rey of course was right. The Federal Government is NOT allowed to interfere into matters of Cantonal judiciary. The Lawyer for the Defence of course can take the matter first to the Cantonal Court of Appeal and from there to the Federal Court. But there again, the Federal government is not allowed to interfere.

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The Geneva police force bungling a political case after Bern tried to intervene? Surely not?

Domestic violence and servant bashing à la Ghaddafi springs to mind.
Also how Mr Barschel got suicided in Geneva
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