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An argument more to enhance local authors by price fixing.
First, how does price fixing help the authors and additionally how would it help the local authors? Second, how could the same not be achieved w/o price fixing. I am either stupid or miss a very important point.
According to the proposed law the price would have been fixed by the publisher. Authors are would not be given a fixed share nor are they even mentioned in the text of the law. Also, book prices would not have been fixed for a range of book, genre, publisher, or author but for each issue of a book individually. I am very open and interested in an explanation how book price fixing helps (local) authors and how this can only be achieved with book price fixing.
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First, how does price fixing help the authors and additionally how would it help the local authors?
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Publishers could shift higher benefits from mass products towards niche products.


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Second, how could the same not be achieved w/o price fixing.
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It could, but it's more difficult as you/they have to find alternatives.


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According to the proposed law the price would have been fixed by the publisher. Authors are would not be given a fixed share nor are they even mentioned in the text of the law. Also, book prices would not have been fixed for a range of book, genre, publisher, or author but for each issue of a book individually.
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Publishers have a reputation to lose,

most authors have a reputation to be built.
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Old 13.03.2012, 15:19
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Unfortunately you did not answer the question to my likening. Your answers lack reasoning and logic. No real arguments are given why book price fixing is necessary.
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Publishers could shift higher benefits from mass products towards niche products.
Shifting benefits from mass production to niche products is neither regulated nor mentioned in the law. How a publisher uses its revenue is solely up to him, with or w/o price fixing. So, how can book price fixing help or build up pressure to support niche markets? How does the lack of book price fixing hinder a publisher to support niche markets? Also, a shift of funds between different publisher is not part of book price fixing. Book price fixing wont stop publishers that specialize in trivial, low cost, low risk, literature. The lack of book price fixing does not forbid a publisher to sell it book at a fixed price to the book sellers. And the presence of a book price fixing does not forbid the publishers to sell the books at arbitrarily and changing prices to the book sellers.

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It could, but it's more difficult as you/they have to find alternatives.
As elaborated above, book price fixing as suggested has no influence on niche market support.

But there is very simple alternative that could achieve the goal much better. Do not fixed the retail but the publishing price. 1) Publisher must sell a new book for 18 months for a fixed price. 2) All newly published book must be available for at least 18 months. This will really help authors, book sellers and readers.

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Publishers have a reputation to lose, most authors have a reputation to be built.
Umberto Eco's "Foucault's pendulum" springs to my mind. If I were to propose a minimum author's share of 20% of the suggested retail price the will call me a lunatic.
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Unfortunately you did not answer the question to my likening. Your answers lack reasoning and logic. No real arguments are given why book price fixing is necessary.
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OK ask someone else.


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Old 13.03.2012, 15:31
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First, how does price fixing help the authors and additionally how would it help the local authors? Second, how could the same not be achieved w/o price fixing. I am either stupid or miss a very important point.
According to the proposed law the price would have been fixed by the publisher. Authors are would not be given a fixed share nor are they even mentioned in the text of the law. Also, book prices would not have been fixed for a range of book, genre, publisher, or author but for each issue of a book individually. I am very open and interested in an explanation how book price fixing helps (local) authors and how this can only be achieved with book price fixing.
Because it's not just bookshops competing with other bookshops. In fact there is very little real competition between bookshops because

a) there aren't very many bookshops
b) many bookshops are specialised on their own niche topics. Look at Zürich for example. There is precisely one bookshop with a decent selection of law books. There is precisely one bookshop with a decent choice of engineering books. Etc etc. So there is little scope for the free market to push down prices but plenty of scope for greedy booksellers to mark them up (which was the first thing they did when price fixing was abolished).

But looking at the bigger picture of where people can buy books, besides bookshops we have

a) Newsstands, Kiosks etc
b) Migros offerings such as Ex Libris, book clubs etc

So people who cannot match the full range, service or advice capbilities of a real bookshop but abstract from their income in the trash range, meaning the traditional bookshops are selling less trash and having to mark the other stuff even more. Now if a law forced Ex Libris, kiosks etc to charge the same prices as bookshops, the bookshops would have a bigger share of that pie which would uphold their basic income, in return for which the law would force them to be more reasonable on their specialist books.
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OK ask someone else.

cheers
I hope this because you agree with me (which I doubt) and not because you ran out of arguments. Given time you will come back with witty responses and stomp me into the ground on this subject. (Which I really wish for, honestly)

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Because it's not just bookshops competing with other bookshops. In fact there is very little real competition between bookshops because

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Now if a law forced Ex Libris, kiosks etc to charge the same prices as bookshops, the bookshops would have a bigger share of that pie which would uphold their basic income, in return for which the law would force them to be more reasonable on their specialist books.
Thank you for your answer. I have to think about this and will come back with a witty response .
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I hope this because you agree with me (which I doubt)
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You doubt right.


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Amogles gave you some points (which are not in open contrast to mine.


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Given time you will come back with witty responses and stomp me into the ground on this subject. (Which I really wish for, honestly)
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Probably not. It might be a personal thing but I want to have fun in writing, which I doubt I could have with you.
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Publishers could shift higher benefits from mass products towards niche products.
they theoretically COULD, but never would Add to this that non-sold books are a loss, which may outweigh theoretically higher profits on expensive books.

Imagine that wholesalers give retailers a rebate of between 20% and 40%, regardless of the price. If you can do your sales swiftly, a lower price per book will bring more profit.

Realize that people like Conrad Ferdinand Meyer, Gottfried Keller, Freiherr von Goethe, Friedrich Schiller and Theodor Fontane were perceived as entertaining in their time and sold well all over German speaking Europe. Not to speak about Karl May who was well selling a century after his death.
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Because it's not just bookshops competing with other bookshops. In fact there is very little real competition between bookshops because

a) there aren't very many bookshops
b) many bookshops are specialised on their own niche topics. Look at Zürich for example. There is precisely one bookshop with a decent selection of law books. There is precisely one bookshop with a decent choice of engineering books. Etc etc. So there is little scope for the free market to push down prices but plenty of scope for greedy booksellers to mark them up (which was the first thing they did when price fixing was abolished).

But looking at the bigger picture of where people can buy books, besides bookshops we have

a) Newsstands, Kiosks etc
b) Migros offerings such as Ex Libris, book clubs etc

So people who cannot match the full range, service or advice capbilities of a real bookshop but abstract from their income in the trash range, meaning the traditional bookshops are selling less trash and having to mark the other stuff even more. Now if a law forced Ex Libris, kiosks etc to charge the same prices as bookshops, the bookshops would have a bigger share of that pie which would uphold their basic income, in return for which the law would force them to be more reasonable on their specialist books.
ExLibris IS a chain of bookshops ! And books in Kiosks usually are rather more expensive than in bookshops
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