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Old 23.03.2012, 15:04
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Re: Swiss to get referendum on nationalist campaign for immigration caps

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does a constitution-changing referendum require only a simple majority to come into law?
Double majority, i.e. a simple majority of the votes, and of the cantons.

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Old 23.03.2012, 15:19
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Double majority, i.e. a simple majority of the votes, and of the cantons.

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oops, how stupid of me to forget.
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Old 23.03.2012, 15:29
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Re: Swiss to get referendum on nationalist campaign for immigration caps

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First, there is nothing that can be done about EU immigrants unless Switzerland withdraws from the bilateral treaties. And we know that won't happen - the Swiss enjoy the benefits of those treaties, and won't give them up.




Not so sure about that. Heard the one with France threatening to withdraw from Schengen? Switzerland will follow if that becomes reality.
Yeah that's not going to happen. Just a simple pre-election move to win right-wing voters from Le Pen
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Re: Swiss to get referendum on nationalist campaign for immigration caps

Uhhh, unless I am completely mistaken, Le Pen is running for French presidential elections, not calling on a Swiss referendum!

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Old 23.03.2012, 18:45
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Uhhh, unless I am completely mistaken, Le Pen is running for French presidential elections, not calling on a Swiss referendum!
If you look at what he quoted, he was referring to Sarkozy threatening to pull France out of Schengen as an attempt to woo Le Pen voters.
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Old 23.03.2012, 19:05
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Re: Swiss to get referendum on nationalist campaign for immigration caps

You are so right on the Diplomas. This is the Continental way of giving privilege to long, hard earned diplomas over experience, flexibility and problem-solving skills, when the same diplomas will be completely irrelevant in 5 years' time. Look at Germany and how many titles one must combine (Frau Professor Doktor Thingie!) to get to managerial jobs!

And let's not talk about national educational systems: they are ultra-protective on their "own" teachers, so getting a different perspective and skills from teachers from abroad is not going to happen tomorrow!

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Just what do the supporters of this initiative hope to achieve?

First, there is nothing that can be done about EU immigrants unless Switzerland withdraws from the bilateral treaties. And we know that won't happen - the Swiss enjoy the benefits of those treaties, and won't give them up.

Which leaves non-EU immigrants the only group for whom caps could be introduced. But the referendum's demands - priority for Swiss for jobs, etc. - are already in place with respect to non-EU hiring. Employers already have to jump through hoops, have to prove that no Swiss (or EU) is able or available to do the job, before an EU candidate can be hired. A non-EU person is taking nothing from a Swiss worker.

So how is this initiative different from what already exists?




If the fundamental problem truly is the rise in housing costs, why not tackle that directly? Rent control. Even more punative tax on capital gains on the sale of property. Problem solved.

(Oh wait... who benefits from rising house prices? Swiss landlords. Swiss home sellers. Guess that's behind the reluctance to tackle the house price issue head-on.)

Trying to get at house prices in a round about way is just plain inefficient.

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And I've said this before - if the Swiss are serious about wanting jobs to go to Swiss citizens, then they need to look to their education system. For whatever reason, the current system has not produced enough people trained in the skills needed for today's jobs.

There also needs to be more flexibility, which is as much a mind-set issue as an educational one. The job you trained for 20, 10, even 5 years ago may not exist tomorrow. There needs to be more emphasis on continued growth in one's field, and less on diplomas that may no longer be relevant in tomorrow's world.
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Re: Swiss to get referendum on nationalist campaign for immigration caps

If this gets passed and a cap is imposed, when is the earliest it could come into effect? 2yrs/5yrs/10yrs ..?
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